Simon Gerrard

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3 stage vac motors
« on: June 09, 2014, 08:35:54 pm »
Any recommendations for where to get a couple of new vac motors?
Reliability appears to be an issue these days, so recommends would be good.

Cheers

Simon

adrian marsh

Re: 3 stage vac motors
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2014, 08:38:18 pm »
Alltec? Maybe more expensive than Ebay, but at least you know they're genuine.

John Kelly

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Re: 3 stage vac motors
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2014, 08:50:58 pm »
We have Electros in stock.

Russ Chadd

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Re: 3 stage vac motors
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2014, 09:43:16 pm »
Electro motors are very good

dan paton

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Re: 3 stage vac motors
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2014, 10:04:44 pm »
Are they much more powerful than a standard lamb motor ?

peter maybury

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Re: 3 stage vac motors
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2014, 10:09:03 pm »
The performance of motors that are the same size and wattage will vary little, how long they last is the measure of value for money.
I would value John's experience where that is concerned.
Peter

Andrew@Approved Carpet Cleaning

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Re: 3 stage vac motors
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2014, 10:10:54 pm »
The electro seems to be the one to go for Peter, haven't heard about a reliability problem with them as of yet.
Andrew
Approved Carpet Cleaning of Flitwick
www.carpetcleaningbedfordshire.co.uk

john martin

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Re: 3 stage vac motors
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2014, 10:47:23 pm »
Are they much more powerful than a standard lamb motor ?

depends ...  there are about six different 5.7 electros available .

Simon Gerrard

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Re: 3 stage vac motors
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2014, 05:31:12 pm »
last time I wanted some vacs and asked John Kelly, he said he didn't sell them anymore because they were proving unreliable . So if he's gone with elecros, that's good enough for me.

Simon

dan paton

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Re: 3 stage vac motors
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2014, 10:35:41 pm »
so are the 1200 watt electros as powerful as a 1500 watt lamb motor ?

CleanerCarpets

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Re: 3 stage vac motors
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2014, 11:29:04 pm »
From what I can see electro's for series, lambs for parallel

john martin

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Re: 3 stage vac motors
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2014, 11:49:05 pm »
From what I can see electro's for series, lambs for parallel

?  wouldnt really agree .

The higher powered electros would be very good in parallel ...

Or the Ametek 8.4 would be really good in series .



John Kelly

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Re: 3 stage vac motors
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2014, 08:23:38 am »
What motor did Extracta put in their Turbo machine because according to the receivers this is what pushed them under.

john martin

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Re: 3 stage vac motors
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2014, 10:15:27 am »
What motor did Extracta put in their Turbo machine because according to the receivers this is what pushed them under.

Interesting  , That would be the Ametek 8.4 then .
And i believe they had them in series  .

But 8.4 is used in series for a good while now in the states with no reported issues in a couple of machines like the Cobb Breeze 8.4 and the Hydro-force Nautilus extreme .

Could be the same issues as the 6.6

Ian Gourlay

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Re: 3 stage vac motors
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2014, 10:39:31 am »
Ok John Martin do not really study  Motors what are the issues with 6.6 motors

Kev Martin

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Re: 3 stage vac motors
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2014, 10:50:50 am »
Not sure what you need these motors for but we sell triple motor wet vacs.  We have sold over 2000 of them and had to replace 3 motors in total out of over 6000 motors in 8/9 years one of which was in one of our own vacs over 8 years old.  The motors are Ametek

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
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dan paton

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Re: 3 stage vac motors
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2014, 11:06:45 am »
@John Martin.. Email sent john  :)

john martin

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Re: 3 stage vac motors
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2014, 11:28:16 am »
Not sure what you need these motors for but we sell triple motor wet vacs.  We have sold over 2000 of them and had to replace 3 motors in total out of over 6000 motors in 8/9 years one of which was in one of our own vacs over 8 years old.  The motors are Ametek

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

The tried and tested 5.7 two and three stages Ameteks are as reliable as they come .
The 6.6 and 8.4 two stages are a newer fan design on a slightly larger motor . A motor in you triple vac may produce around 350 airwatts ....  the ametek 8.4 produces 680airwatts  .   
The power increase is desirable in carpet cleaning extractors .  Less motors means less current draw ( you might want a 3kw heater also in the machine )  and more power = better extraction and drying times .

john martin

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Re: 3 stage vac motors
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2014, 11:32:46 am »
Ok John Martin do not really study  Motors what are the issues with 6.6 motors

 The 6.6 ...Not really sure , perhaps some of the manufactures reading this would clarify .  They have ramdomly failed in all of the uk machines using them acording to reports here and elsewhere .

John Kelly

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Re: 3 stage vac motors
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2014, 11:58:26 am »
A wet vac is a whole different ball game to a carpet extractor. We've had Numatic wet vacs for years and never had to replace a motor even though we were often sucking water through them. They have peripheral motors rather than tangental as most carpet extractors have the exception being Craftex machines.
A carpet extractor is pulling against a blockage all the time, i;e the carpet pile and is nearly always sucking hot moist air. Wet vacs with a hard floor pickup have a lot more air going through them and usually dealing with cold substances.