Warwick Sayce

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Pointing
« on: May 14, 2013, 07:29:25 pm »
Hi, is there a pointing product that is pressure cleaning resistant, I have looked at a product called easy joint which claims to be! Thanks warwick

evil genius

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Re: Pointing
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2013, 07:42:42 pm »
Easy joint is a very poor product, I would stay away.
No pointing is going to be pressure proof but a good pointing will resist it well but only to a certain extent.
Hope this helps
Ian
Stratford upon avon & Coventry pressure washing
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Rob_Mac

Re: Pointing
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2013, 07:52:34 pm »
Yes

I went onto a job a while back and it had been brushed into the gaps (this was a bit of a big gaff) - i'll come back to this!

I bought some for our patio and it does work well but the gaps need to be a bit wider than normal.

The big gaff - We hadn't seen the product before and I was not part of the preparation, I never saw the packaging or instructions for use.

We pressure washed but shortly into the works I noticed that it was getting rid of the graining on the surface but wasn't touching the brush marks and any other marks, carried on for a while.

Spoke to the home owner and I asked whether the drive had been sealed, was told no, I told them of the problem and they said carry on.

Mid morning we weren't getting underneath to the dust & brush marks so I said that there must have been a sealer down and I ought to stop because it wasn't satisfactory. Told to continue!

Lunchtime - the homeowner tells me that there is a sealer in the product, when it is brushed in this sealer sits on the top of the base and has to be worn away by UV, the sun smiling at it for four months.

Absolute nightmare, we finished off at six and I had a big argument & debate about being paid & how it was left, I even offered to go back once the UV had done its stuff but I was asked to finish.

Had to take a multi-millionaire to court in the end - I got paid!!

This was a recommendation from Roger and I was annoyed that it had gone so badly - but I feel it was down to information provided and I had done everything I could to get the job right.

The one I worked on could withstand 50 tonne of pressure!!!! and is not your run of the mill from B & Q, mine is from B & Q, depending on the application and where you buy it from check that it doesn't do a seal job on you!!!

Rob ;D

evil genius

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Re: Pointing
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2013, 08:02:24 pm »
I would be very interested to know what that exact product was rob.
We are a buidling firm by trade and have had a fair few jobs raking out patios and brickwork that had been victims of DIY premixed pointing products.
Stratford upon avon & Coventry pressure washing
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www.mbuildsc.co.uk

Rob_Mac

Re: Pointing
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2013, 08:10:35 pm »
I did do a bit of research on the product at the time and I remember being very impressed.

As I said - this was not your standard off the shelf stuff. We were hitting it with the H & M and a Thor and none of it came up.

Roger may be able to speak to Tony (managed the works) and find out but as it ended up being acrimonious I don't think I could go and ask, even if I could get past the electric gates!!!

Rob ;D

Simon@Pristine Pathways

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Re: Pointing
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2013, 08:47:10 pm »
Nothing wrong with good old fashioned mortar. I pointed a patio today and I guarantee it aint going anywhere. Even Rob and his mighty hot and spicy wont touch it. Dont waste money on premix products.

chris scott

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Re: Pointing
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2013, 08:52:50 pm »
www.cleaning-service.uk.com
www.render-cleaning.co
https://www.cleaning-service.uk.com/bromoco-systems/
Exterior cleaning specialists covering Merseyside,Lancashire and Cheshire. TEL 08000 933267

Rob_Mac

Re: Pointing
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2013, 08:53:01 pm »
At the time of writing (July 2011) the only polymeric jointing products I would consider using on any project in which I was involved are those from GftK and Romex. As this is a rapidly developing market, that list may (hopefully) grow, but at the moment, there is more crap than good stuff out there.
The pre-mixed polymeric products are convenient and reduce preparation time, but some brands feature packaging that is prone to being accidentally punctured, exposing the contents to moisture and consequently hardening or perishing. All packs should be checked for integrity before opening: most suppliers are loath to accept returned opened packs that are alleged to have been compromised/punctured. The better quality products tend to come in sealed buckets or pails.

Before placing the mortar onto the surface, the installation instructions should be consulted, as there may be guidance or advice specific to that particular product.

Off the tinterweb.

Simon -  ;D ;D ;D

Rob ;D

Rob_Mac

Re: Pointing
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2013, 08:57:28 pm »
Chris

That's the job I worked on!

Rob ;D

Rob_Mac

Re: Pointing
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2013, 09:01:59 pm »
And that is the product - who needs Rog ;D

Rob ;D

chris scott

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Re: Pointing
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2013, 09:06:59 pm »
"You have absolutely no idea what else I have going on and I choose not to share any of it with the forum or yourself"
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Rob_Mac

Re: Pointing
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2013, 09:08:46 pm »
Rearrange

CCOK  ;D

Rob ;D

Rob_Mac

Re: Pointing
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2013, 09:17:50 pm »
I know your struggling so I am giving you a clue - it's not coke!! ;D

Rob ;D

chris scott

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Re: Pointing
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2013, 09:26:23 pm »
I know your struggling so I am giving you a clue - it's not coke!! ;D

Rob ;D
You don't have the correct letters for coke (We wont try anything too difficult if you struggle with 4 letter words) ....prefix  ret . rearrange dar for the suffix.
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Rob_Mac

Re: Pointing
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2013, 09:29:33 pm »
Jeez Chris - I know. I'm wasted on here ;D

Evil - Have you seen the product shown, used it ???

Rob ;D

evil genius

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Re: Pointing
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2013, 09:56:17 pm »
GFTK is what brand is used in that video and they are very well known for the mortars in commercial hard landscaping mortars

we have used styrene modified slurry mixed for in similar situations where we have edged car parks or installed footpaths in granite cobbles but i have never used epoxy based systems.

i was quite impressed by the ease of the clear-up after the intial slurry had gone down. ive never come across a wet product that simply brushed off that well leaving zero residue. that alone would be worth a big premium on labour/cost saved
Stratford upon avon & Coventry pressure washing
www.mbsurfacecleaning.co.uk
www.mbuildsc.co.uk

Rob_Mac

Re: Pointing
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2013, 10:00:34 pm »
My experience has shown me that the base it is going onto needs to be cleaned properly, removal of all dust, brush marks, mortar or cement splashes as they are impossible to get off immediately afterwards.

Glad I could assist

Rob ;D

evil genius

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Re: Pointing
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2013, 10:05:21 pm »
a quick search has revealed for the GFTK product used in the youtube video would cost you around £100 for a 25kg tub of mortar/grout and this would cover around 3 square meters of 100mm sett stones.
i was expecting a lot worse to be honest. would quickly get pricey but you very rarely find entire drives in sett stones. that would make pavers/flags more like 10 square meter coverage on a 25kg bag and much more doable (is that a real word?)

a bit more that a standard sand cement mix but its going to last a lot longer and be a better job

ian
Stratford upon avon & Coventry pressure washing
www.mbsurfacecleaning.co.uk
www.mbuildsc.co.uk

Rob_Mac

Re: Pointing
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2013, 10:12:17 pm »
That was indeed only a very small part of a substantial driveway area, I knew it was expensive gear but it did exactly what it said on the tin.

If you do stock it make sure you let people know about the sealer properties.

Money was definitely not a problem for this works. I was just really disappointed that we never had the full picture or I would definitely not have taken the works on until the sealer layer had broken down.

As per the youtube clip the gaps are quite wide!

Rob ;D

Kenny83

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Re: Pointing
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2013, 10:45:30 pm »
I have used gtfk many times, 800, 850 and even the single polymeric 840+, they are great products, but pricey, I now use one that has been created as a rival, again a 2 pack epoxy, but less than half the price of gtfk and it even goes off quicker in colder conditions, gtfk can take days to set in sub 5 degree temps.....
Here is a video I did of one the other week....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZQti_AAa88

See the other videos to see before and after
 ;D
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Rob_Mac

Re: Pointing
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2013, 10:55:09 pm »
Lee

Come and work with me permanently, I will pay you to just talk - love that accent ;D

Rob ;D

Kenny83

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Re: Pointing
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2013, 11:00:02 pm »
 ;D Haha, sorry, I'm all booked up for the next dew weeks, Lee blast away has asked me to commentate over all his videos he's ever made  ;D ;D ;D also availible for acting work  ;D
Pressure Washing -
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Rob_Mac

Re: Pointing
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2013, 11:01:07 pm »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Rob ;D

Roger Oakley

Re: Pointing
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2013, 09:00:24 pm »
Rob,

I remember this one, I think it was Romex that had been used on that job.
I also have now seen this loads of times, where the paving company lay and point the paving, don't clean up properly, then someone else has to clean up the crap they have left behind.
I have a couple at the moment to look at Limestone patios where the installers have f**ked them up with shoddy workmanship.


Rob_Mac

Re: Pointing
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2013, 09:55:13 pm »
Annoyed the hell out of me because of you recommending me - wouldn't want to let anyone down who had recommended me, Tony seems to have some sway in his field and could have been a good recommender as well and the client would have been an important stepping stone into that Cheshire set.

I just couldn't make anyone see the problem. One thing I can do is let people know how a job is going and if I had said nothing and had my hand out at the end then I could have understood some reticence to pay but I just kept saying there was a problem and all along they just kept telling me to carry on.

Tony didn't seem to want to admit that the prep work had not been done properly and wanted me to be responsible, at that time I don't think he knew he had made a problem.

I don't know how long you have to wait if it seals all the crap underneath but they are saying four months, we even tried heat on it and nothing would strip it back.

Ah well - I know now for the future - I just never got the result I wanted and that wasn't about the money!!!!

Rob ;D

Simon@Pristine Pathways

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Re: Pointing
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2013, 10:09:26 pm »
I have used gtfk many times, 800, 850 and even the single polymeric 840+, they are great products, but pricey, I now use one that has been created as a rival, again a 2 pack epoxy, but less than half the price of gtfk and it even goes off quicker in colder conditions, gtfk can take days to set in sub 5 degree temps.....
Here is a video I did of one the other week....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZQti_AAa88

See the other videos to see before and after
 ;D
lee, did you do that on one tub? Quite impressive. 

Kenny83

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Re: Pointing
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2013, 06:55:03 pm »
No mate, it took one full tub and then a tiny bit from the next tub, even though I only used a fraction of the 2nd tub you have to throw it all away, so I suppose I would have to say 2 tubs   :-\ i was happy with it and so was the customer.... although I'[m not a fan of raking the joints out.... what a s@@tty job that is. How do you go on raking out Simon? Any particular methods I could use to make it easier? My hair and my ears, my whole body was full of cement dust  :(
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Simon@Pristine Pathways

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Re: Pointing
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2013, 07:59:06 pm »
I use a special tool ...his name is kev!

Its a horrible job but doesnt take too long to do with handheld grinders, what did that take about 1 hour? Think I need to try your resin though it does look good.

BDCS

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Re: Pointing
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2013, 08:49:17 pm »
If any pointing needs to be raked out I have a special machine that removes it with ease and without dust - its called a pressure washer with a turbo nozzle on  ;D

Blast Away

Re: Pointing
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2013, 09:08:40 pm »
If any pointing needs to be raked out I have a special machine that removes it with ease and without dust - its called a pressure washer with a turbo nozzle on  ;D

 ;D

Kenny83

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Re: Pointing
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2013, 10:34:57 pm »
If any pointing needs to be raked out I have a special machine that removes it with ease and without dust - its called a pressure washer with a turbo nozzle on  ;D
Yes, I have raked a few patios out in my time when you put it like that  ;D
Pressure Washing -
www.powerwashcleaning.co.uk

Kenny83

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Re: Pointing
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2013, 10:54:57 pm »
That was indeed only a very small part of a substantial driveway area, I knew it was expensive gear but it did exactly what it said on the tin.

If you do stock it make sure you let people know about the sealer properties.

Money was definitely not a problem for this works. I was just really disappointed that we never had the full picture or I would definitely not have taken the works on until the sealer layer had broken down.

As per the youtube clip the gaps are quite wide!

Rob ;D

Rob, they should of had you in to clean the paving before installation of that product, thats how i do it, obviously builders don't realise this and you were left to pick up the peices
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