[Rob Hall]

Probably one for Kevin...
The MAC Wet Vac that I got from you needs the rubbers on the end replacing, it has screws holding the rubbers in place and looks like a very easy swap over. Do you stock the rubbers ans if so how much are they?
Thanks

[Kev Martin]

Probably one for Kevin...
The MAC Wet Vac that I got from you needs the rubbers on the end replacing, it has screws holding the rubbers in place and looks like a very easy swap over. Do you stock the rubbers ans if so how much are they?
Thanks

Rob

We carry a full range of spares for everything we sell!!!  Yes we can still get the rubber blades but to be honest we haven't bothered for a while as the rubbers were about a £5 each and the whole complete head is only around £15 but if you want to save a few quid and more importantly check the screws aren't too rusted I will get Antony to sort it out when he get's back on Monday!
Just let us know what you want to do!

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Rob Hall]

£5 each rubber?
The rubbers on my smaller vac were £1.50 each.
I don't get why they have a set of screws that make changing the rubbers dead easy and charge £5 for the rubbers and £15 for the complete head, it doesn't make sense...hey ho, its the world we live in eh?
If you can get a set of rubbers Kev, I will have them off you as there is nothing wrong with the head, it seems such a waste to throw the whole thing away.
Thanks for your help

[Kev Martin]

£5 each rubber?
The rubbers on my smaller vac were £1.50 each.
I don't get why they have a set of screws that make changing the rubbers dead easy and charge £5 for the rubbers and £15 for the complete head, it doesn't make sense...hey ho, its the world we live in eh?
If you can get a set of rubbers Kev, I will have them off you as there is nothing wrong with the head, it seems such a waste to throw the whole thing away.
Thanks for your help

We probably still have some spare blades I don't know Tony can check on Monday!  Sorry if the £5 a blade shocks you but it seems to be the way of the World with spares these days!  MAC Int'l told me yesterday that the Geco Vacs I sell are a £100 under what they should be!  Have you tried the place you got your smaller Vac ones from because don't forget the blades off me will not be just  £10!  You have VAT and postage on that as well!  Sorry!

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Rob Hall]

Hi Kevin
I think you are right, it IS the way of the world!!
What I really do not get with the rubbers is, one manufacturer can sell a replacement set of rubbers at £1.50 plus p&p and the replacements for this vac looks like it is going to cost roughly the same amount as a Pirelli P6!!
I suppose the lesson here is, before we all buy anything, look at the cost of on going replacement parts. Its a bit like my Laser printer, the toner is the same cost as buying a new printer! WTF!!!

Please let me know if you have any kicking around Kevin, they will be worth having a few in stock.

[Kev Martin]

Rob

I don't worry about replacement costs or materials required for jobs anymore.  My philosophy is simple in that on my material costs for jobs I charge every job for Masking materials, rotary brush, vac head etc.  On top then I try and cover 5 - 10% of the cost of my machines being used on every job.  In this way for every 20 small jobs your gear is paid for and the bigger jobs every 10 jobs the gear is paid for.   So lets say in 20 small cleaning jobs you need a Klindex Rocky and a Geco 3000 watt wet vac cost a total of around £1200 you just charge £60 on every job and both machines are covered for replacement! 

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

[Rob Hall]

Rob

I don't worry about replacement costs or materials required for jobs anymore.  My philosophy is simple in that on my material costs for jobs I charge every job for Masking materials, rotary brush, vac head etc.  On top then I try and cover 5 - 10% of the cost of my machines being used on every job.  In this way for every 20 small jobs your gear is paid for and the bigger jobs every 10 jobs the gear is paid for.   So lets say in 20 small cleaning jobs you need a Klindex Rocky and a Geco 3000 watt wet vac cost a total of around £1200 you just charge £60 on every job and both machines are covered for replacement! 

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

I think it must be my Yorkshire mentality Kevin!! Why spend £20 when £1.50 will do

[Kev Martin]

Rob
If you find them for that money let me know please because they were costing us nearly £6 + VAT a pair 8 years ago

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Len Gribble]

Durex sell rubbers pack of ten £10.99 and not tax deductible 

[Rob Hall]

Rob
If you find them for that money let me know please because they were costing us nearly £6 + VAT a pair 8 years ago

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

The £1.50 rubbers were for a vac that I first bought from the course I did years ago with posh floors. I think the company was called Rawlins, they do vac spares but sadly not for the Mac.

I knew someone would mention Durex

[Kev Martin]

So it was the one good thing that came out of Posh Floors?


Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Rob Hall]

So it was the one good thing that came out of Posh Floors?


Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Kevin, it was the ONLY thing to come out of posh floors!!!

[G O Cleaning]

Has anyone sourced blades for a realistic price ? Not prepared to pay £10 a set off the net, need blades for a few numatic heads assume generic these should cost pennies!

[Kev Martin]

Has anyone sourced blades for a realistic price ? Not prepared to pay £10 a set off the net, need blades for a few numatic heads assume generic these should cost pennies!

Good luck because I can't source them for pennies so if you do let me know and I will buy them

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[G O Cleaning]

Window cleaning squeege rubber - same profile pennies

[Kev Martin]

Window cleaning squeege rubber - same profile pennies

Actually the ones. We have on our Vacs are totally different they are serrated down one side and smooth on the other side and have 5 recesses cut out of them

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[G O Cleaning]

Unlucky 

[Kev Martin]

I thought window cleaning sueegee rubbers were black???  If so they would be useless on floors because they would mark!  The ones on our vacs are chemical resistant reinforced grey rubber.  My opinion is don't muck around and just buy a new head complete.  You just charge a £5 for every job you use your vac on end of.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[G O Cleaning]

I thought window cleaning sueegee rubbers were black???  If so they would be useless on floors because they would mark!  The ones on our vacs are chemical resistant reinforced grey rubber.  My opinion is don't muck around and just buy a new head complete.  You just charge a £5 for every job you use your vac on end of.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

depends on the rubber compound numatic replacements are black no marking, former life worked for a few automotive rubber companies hence original post these should cost peanuts, why pay over the odds for parts that can be easily sourced at a fraction of the cost, reason I stay clear of dual pumps replacement parts ridiculous price

[Rob Hall]

I thought window cleaning sueegee rubbers were black???  If so they would be useless on floors because they would mark!  The ones on our vacs are chemical resistant reinforced grey rubber.  My opinion is don't muck around and just buy a new head complete.  You just charge a £5 for every job you use your vac on end of.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

depends on the rubber compound numatic replacements are black no marking, former life worked for a few automotive rubber companies hence original post these should cost peanuts, why pay over the odds for parts that can be easily sourced at a fraction of the cost, reason I stay clear of dual pumps replacement parts ridiculous price

Exactly the point I made at the top of this thread. The rubbers should be replaceable, what a waste to throw away the whole head. Some people obviously are not too bothered about the environment!!
 

[Kev Martin]

I thought window cleaning sueegee rubbers were black???  If so they would be useless on floors because they would mark!  The ones on our vacs are chemical resistant reinforced grey rubber.  My opinion is don't muck around and just buy a new head complete.  You just charge a £5 for every job you use your vac on end of.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

depends on the rubber compound numatic replacements are black no marking, former life worked for a few automotive rubber companies hence original post these should cost peanuts, why pay over the odds for parts that can be easily sourced at a fraction of the cost, reason I stay clear of dual pumps replacement parts ridiculous price

But that is the whole point isn't it!!!!   Everyone thinks they can source them for pennies but no one actually can!!!  What things should cost in our minds and what they actually cost are two different things!!!  What we think manufacturers/suppliers should be charging for their products is irrelevant.

How many people walk in to a Services on the Motorway and give Starbucks or Costa Coffee a fortune for a 1p Teabag or a Cup of Coffee???  I now make it my mission to stop at a services with a McDonalds so I can buy a Cup of Tea for 99p and I actually resent paying that much as well!  But no amount of complaining or moaning about the price is going to make Starbucks or Costa lower their prices is it?  Let's face it Starbucks don't even pay any tax on their exhorbitant prices either!!!

So the moral is NO Cheap Vac Rubbers Sorry

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[G O Cleaning]

I thought window cleaning sueegee rubbers were black???  If so they would be useless on floors because they would mark!  The ones on our vacs are chemical resistant reinforced grey rubber.  My opinion is don't muck around and just buy a new head complete.  You just charge a £5 for every job you use your vac on end of.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

depends on the rubber compound numatic replacements are black no marking, former life worked for a few automotive rubber companies hence original post these should cost peanuts, why pay over the odds for parts that can be easily sourced at a fraction of the cost, reason I stay clear of dual pumps replacement parts ridiculous price

But that is the whole point isn't it!!!!   Everyone thinks they can source them for pennies but no one actually can!!!  What things should cost in our minds and what they actually cost are two different things!!!  What we think manufacturers/suppliers should be charging for their products is irrelevant.

How many people walk in to a Services on the Motorway and give Starbucks or Costa Coffee a fortune for a 1p Teabag or a Cup of Coffee???  I now make it my mission to stop at a services with a McDonalds so I can buy a Cup of Tea for 99p and I actually resent paying that much as well!  But no amount of complaining or moaning about the price is going to make Starbucks or Costa lower their prices is it?  Let's face it Starbucks don't even pay any tax on their exhorbitant prices either!!!

So the moral is NO Cheap Vac Rubbers Sorry

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

kev I wasn't asking you! The Numatic blade is a simple v section ,As stated worked in the industry as design engineer hence no the costs, what some suppliers charge is irrelevant if a simple alternative can be sourced else where for a fraction of the price. Ref dual pumps required a wheel for a wirlaway they wanted around £18 had to buy castor as they don't sell wheels individually, found supplier of the actual wheel part cost less than a pound.

[Rob Hall]

I thought window cleaning sueegee rubbers were black???  If so they would be useless on floors because they would mark!  The ones on our vacs are chemical resistant reinforced grey rubber.  My opinion is don't muck around and just buy a new head complete.  You just charge a £5 for every job you use your vac on end of.

Kev Martin 
Tiling Logistics Ltd

depends on the rubber compound numatic replacements are black no marking, former life worked for a few automotive rubber companies hence original post these should cost peanuts, why pay over the odds for parts that can be easily sourced at a fraction of the cost, reason I stay clear of dual pumps replacement parts ridiculous price

But that is the whole point isn't it!!!!   Everyone thinks they can source them for pennies but no one actually can!!!  What things should cost in our minds and what they actually cost are two different things!!!  What we think manufacturers/suppliers should be charging for their products is irrelevant.

How many people walk in to a Services on the Motorway and give Starbucks or Costa Coffee a fortune for a 1p Teabag or a Cup of Coffee???  I now make it my mission to stop at a services with a McDonalds so I can buy a Cup of Tea for 99p and I actually resent paying that much as well!  But no amount of complaining or moaning about the price is going to make Starbucks or Costa lower their prices is it?  Let's face it Starbucks don't even pay any tax on their exhorbitant prices either!!!

So the moral is NO Cheap Vac Rubbers Sorry

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Starbucks don't throw the kettle away after 10 cups of tea or coffee do they?

[Kev Martin]

No they spend £25000 in the 1st place then pay for regular maintenance

[Rob Hall]

No they spend £25000 in the 1st place then pay for regular maintenance

not sure i understand.
I was comparing the 'Kettle" to the 'head' of the vac.

[Kev Martin]

I was using Starbucks as an analagy and they don't use Kettles do they?  They buy the very best and regularly maintain!  That's the whole point about the Vac Blades they are a consumable and if the German suppliers and Mac International have decided on just replacing the head there is nothing anyone can do about it is there?  So just get on with it and follow my suggestion and charge a custome £5 every job you use a vac on then you have scope to replace the head paid for every three jobs don't you?  Try and realise there are things beyond our control and this is one of them regardless of yours or my opinion.

What's more wait till you eventually start supplying Samich because you are going to have a lot bigger shocks when you start trying to buy spare parts!  Believe Me!!!

Ask Samich for the replacement cost of the Washer set in the water tank for instance  
Then when you get over that price ask them what your minimum purchase is of those washer sets is

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

[Rob Hall]

I was using Starbucks as an analagy and they don't use Kettles do they?  They buy the very best and regularly maintain!  That's the whole point about the Vac Blades they are a consumable and if the German suppliers and Mac International have decided on just replacing the head there is nothing anyone can do about it is there?  So just get on with it and follow my suggestion and charge a custome £5 every job you use a vac on then you have scope to replace the head paid for every three jobs don't you?  Try and realise there are things beyond our control and this is one of them regardless of yours or my opinion.

What's more wait till you eventually start supplying Samich because you are going to have a lot bigger shocks when you start trying to buy spare parts!  Believe Me!!!

Ask Samich for the replacement cost of the Washer set in the water tank for instance  
Then when you get over that price ask them what your minimum purchase is of those washer sets is

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

I assume that, as Samich and Klindex are EXACTLY the same thing, you have had these issues?
Sounds like you have had to replace some?

[Kev Martin]

I was using Starbucks as an analagy and they don't use Kettles do they?  They buy the very best and regularly maintain!  That's the whole point about the Vac Blades they are a consumable and if the German suppliers and Mac International have decided on just replacing the head there is nothing anyone can do about it is there?  So just get on with it and follow my suggestion and charge a custome £5 every job you use a vac on then you have scope to replace the head paid for every three jobs don't you?  Try and realise there are things beyond our control and this is one of them regardless of yours or my opinion.

What's more wait till you eventually start supplying Samich because you are going to have a lot bigger shocks when you start trying to buy spare parts!  Believe Me!!!

Ask Samich for the replacement cost of the Washer set in the water tank for instance  
Then when you get over that price ask them what your minimum purchase is of those washer sets is

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

I assume that, as Samich and Klindex are EXACTLY the same thing, you have had these issues?
Sounds like you have had to replace some?

Yes we had to completely replace a water tank for a customer who purchased a Levighetor from your friend Amir Patwa.  The supposedly New Levighetor had been used as a Demo machine for over a year and the tank mechanism had rusted solid when he first tried to use it on a job.  Amir did not want to know!!!  So he turned to us and even though we hadn't sold the machine we serviced the Levighetor properly FOC and tried to replace the tank parts for him.  It turned out the tank washer set and mechanism was just short of the new price of the tank and we had to buy 10 sets minimum.  We got him a brand new tank instead and fitted it and then changed the castellated fittings for the AS on the planetario at cost!  That my friend is just one of dozens of ex  Amir Patwa customers we have helped!

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Rob Hall]

I was using Starbucks as an analagy and they don't use Kettles do they?  They buy the very best and regularly maintain!  That's the whole point about the Vac Blades they are a consumable and if the German suppliers and Mac International have decided on just replacing the head there is nothing anyone can do about it is there?  So just get on with it and follow my suggestion and charge a custome £5 every job you use a vac on then you have scope to replace the head paid for every three jobs don't you?  Try and realise there are things beyond our control and this is one of them regardless of yours or my opinion.

What's more wait till you eventually start supplying Samich because you are going to have a lot bigger shocks when you start trying to buy spare parts!  Believe Me!!!

Ask Samich for the replacement cost of the Washer set in the water tank for instance  
Then when you get over that price ask them what your minimum purchase is of those washer sets is

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

I assume that, as Samich and Klindex are EXACTLY the same thing, you have had these issues?
Sounds like you have had to replace some?

Yes we had to completely replace a water tank for a customer who purchased a Levighetor from your friend Amir Patwa.  The supposedly New Levighetor had been used as a Demo machine for over a year and the tank mechanism had rusted solid when he first tried to use it on a job.  Amir did not want to know!!!  So he turned to us and even though we hadn't sold the machine we serviced the Levighetor properly FOC and tried to replace the tank parts for him.  It turned out the tank washer set and mechanism was just short of the new price of the tank and we had to buy 10 sets minimum.  We got him a brand new tank instead and fitted it and then changed the castellated fittings for the AS on the planetario at cost!  That my friend is just one of dozens of ex  Amir Patwa customers we have helped!

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Doesn't come as a surprise from what I hear. I am not too sure where the friends rumour comes from
I understand he is not too happy with a certain company I am dealing with, he never said anything to me, but I was told by a very reliable source that he was very unhappy.
Life goes on eh?
Funny isn't it, I am supplying some new Samich Machinery to a company on his doorstep.

Rob Hall
Cleaned and Sealed

[Kev Martin]

Just sit back and wait for the Nuclear fallout from him.  He may be flavour of the Month on Mr Carrs forum at the moment with his wonderful "I can teach you everything in a day no matter how many of you there are courses" 

Personally don't care because when it all goes wrong most of theml seem to eventually turn up on my doorstep for help.

The long and short of it is!  The course he runs is free so he fills it easily!  I could run free courses and have a waiting list!  The truth of the matter is these are people going on what is supposed to be a stone restoration course with little or no knowledge! 

Lets face reality, it is really difficult to explain things like different diamonds and their effect, Mohs Scale, stunning, hot & cold polishing, edge grinding, hardening a surface, colouring to name but a few topics in a WEEK so how can he do it all in a day.

So they all go crowing about how good the course is when they have done it. When in reality they haven't even hardly touched on the subject.  This is why we insist you do our course first before the Klindex day.  Not because we want the money it is so at least you have an idea of what we are talking about.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Rob Hall]

Just sit back and wait for the Nuclear fallout from him.  He may be flavour of the Month on Mr Carrs forum at the moment with his wonderful "I can teach you everything in a day no matter how many of you there are courses" 

Personally don't care because when it all goes wrong most of theml seem to eventually turn up on my doorstep for help.

The long and short of it is!  The course he runs is free so he fills it easily!  I could run free courses and have a waiting list!  The truth of the matter is these are people going on what is supposed to be a stone restoration course with little or no knowledge! 

Lets face reality, it is really difficult to explain things like different diamonds and their effect, Mohs Scale, stunning, hot & cold polishing, edge grinding, hardening a surface, colouring to name but a few topics in a WEEK so how can he do it all in a day.

So they all go crowing about how good the course is when they have done it. When in reality they haven't even hardly touched on the subject.  This is why we insist you do our course first before the Klindex day.  Not because we want the money it is so at least you have an idea of what we are talking about.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

.....and that is the reason why I have ALWAYS recommended YOUR course.
We may not see eye to eye on some things Kevin and I don't expect a birthday card from you next month, but as far as learning about our job, I think your course is the best I have done so far.
I am sure Mr Patwa has his own agenda!

Anyway, we haven't had an argument recently, you must be losing your touch!!