pristineclean

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Selling a contract
« on: January 16, 2012, 07:46:25 pm »
Brief story is that I've been running a subsidiary company for two years to service one contract where they can't reclaim VAT - bills at £1200.00 a month with just under £600.00 per month labour and about £200 per year for chemicals, equipment, boxes of chocolate etc. The onsite cleaner works three days a week and has been there for seven years. I'm also paying £300.00 a year in employers liability insurance.

Thing being of course is that it's not going to be of interest to a company trading above the VAT threshold since this adds 20% to client costs.

Any suggestions or offers welcome.

CraigEllis

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Re: Selling a contract
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2012, 01:02:31 pm »
Where abouts is the contract based? Any further information please email me. Craige@starlightcleaning.co.uk

regards

Craig

Liz Baker

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Re: Selling a contract
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2012, 11:04:38 pm »
Where are you, plase contact us, boatmancleaning@hotmail.co.uk 07880 762257, thanks.
Liz Baker

"Here to Serve, Here to Clean"

sezzle72

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Re: Selling a contract
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2012, 10:45:30 pm »
Also where is it based contessacleaning@gmail.com
Thanks srah

John @ Mrs Clean

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Re: Selling a contract
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2012, 07:50:33 pm »
interested in this if its based in highlands?
please email
mrscleanhighland@gmail.com

thanks

pristineclean

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Re: Selling a contract
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2012, 02:17:43 pm »
Hi many thanks for the interest in this and apologies for the late reply - the contract is based in Surrey, near Esher and if anyone is interested in making an offer for this please email me - callum.macleod@amfacilitiesmanagement.co.uk

A couple of points I'd ask interested parties to be aware of.

1 - TUPE is certainly going to apply in respect of the on site cleaner
2 - The reason I have to run this through a subsidiary company is because VAT adds 20% to the cleaning cost which can't be recovered.

I got very wistful at John's post - if you're ever looking to sell your company, please keep me in mind; I'd love to have an alibi to travel up North more often than I do..

poles apart

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Re: Selling a contract
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2012, 12:13:11 pm »
Are you vat registered with your other business? I ask this because if you are, your vat registration belongs to you and not your company and covers any business activities you are involved in or so I believe. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Rod

poles apart

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Re: Selling a contract
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2012, 12:23:32 pm »
Just found this:

Do not avoid registering for VAT by artificially separating business activities

If you run more than one business the sales in all those businesses must normally be added together to determine whether or not you must register for VAT.

However, if you are involved in the running of several separate legal entities, you may not need to combine the sales of those businesses to find whether you need to be VAT-registered.

If HMRC decides that you have artificially separated one business into smaller parts to avoid registering for VAT, it can decide that the entire business is a single taxable person and therefore must be registered for VAT. See the description of 'taxable person' in the section in this guide on who can and can't register for VAT.

Situations that HMRC may consider a single taxable person for VAT purposes include:
•Separate entities selling to registered and unregistered customers. The VAT-registered entity sells only to VAT-registered customers, and the entity not registered for VAT sells to customers who are not registered for VAT.
•The same equipment or premises being used by different entities on a regular basis. The premises and/or equipment are owned by one of the parties, who charges rent to the others. This situation may occur in businesses such as launderettes and takeaway food operations.
•Splitting up what is usually a single sale. This is common in industries such as the bed and breakfast trade, where one business supplies the bed and another the breakfast.

If you deliberately avoid registering for VAT, you may be liable to a penalty. For serious offences, the matter will be investigated and you may be prosecuted.


...and this:
It is the person, not the business, who is registered for VAT. A person can be either an individual or a legal person or entity. A registered person might be:

a sole proprietor
a partnership or limited liability partnership
a company
a club
an association
a charity
any other organisation or group of people acting together under a particular name, such as an educational or health institution, exhibition, conference, etc
Each VAT registration covers all the business activities of the registered person.

Kev Martin

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Re: Selling a contract
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2012, 06:56:50 am »
It looks to me as though he has a business already registered for VAT.  He is selling a one job contract it could belong to anyone so trying to understand why the VAT post?

Kev Martin
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poles apart

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Re: Selling a contract
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2012, 07:43:15 pm »
Brief story is that I've been running a subsidiary company for two years to service one contract where they can't reclaim VAT - bills at £1200.00 a month with just under £600.00 per month labour and about £200 per year for chemicals, equipment, boxes of chocolate etc. The onsite cleaner works three days a week and has been there for seven years. I'm also paying £300.00 a year in employers liability insurance.

Thing being of course is that it's not going to be of interest to a company trading above the VAT threshold since this adds 20% to client costs.

Any suggestions or offers welcome.

That's why the vat post!
Rod