Marc Stock

Re: Bad Payers
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2017, 01:11:25 pm »
And what exactly is gocardless.....doesn't tell you much on website.
How is it different to just setting up a d/d with a customer.

Go Cardless is a mechanism to take payments from customers bank accounts.

The customer signs up through Go Cardless and every time you do the windows you simply take the money from thier account.

For simplicity i take all my payments on the       28th of the month

C & S

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Re: Bad Payers
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2017, 02:25:20 pm »
They are the bain of my life bad payers and time taken to chase them up.
Replace as soon as you can and then drop with a decent one.

Be ridgid, one night a week I will go through my debt list and text a reminder to everybody who has not paid since 7 days off their last clean.

Give it a week and text whoever is still outstanding a little more firmer this time.

(Make sure when you sign up a customer you get their mobile and their home number)

Then ring them next course of action.

I have one on my list atm shes a real MODDED
Should of never cleaned as my spider sense was tingling.

Never answers texts, of attempted phone calls or letter I sent . (Most likey gave me wrong numbers) Drain on my time.

Its only £25 pound she owes me. Its not alot of money HOWEVER it is money that is owed to you.
Am I going to let this lie..? I am most certianally NOT.  Its a matter of principle.
Planning on going around on a sunday morning early. Knocking loudly and waking her up. If she 'hasnt got any money on her'  which will be the most likely answer I will go around again in a fee days time again nice and early.
She will get the idea that I am NOT messing about here....boils my blood.







 




Dave Anderson

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Re: Bad Payers
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2017, 03:05:24 pm »
Think most have been through the wringer during our times doing this work.

Have been lax in the past but now its very simple... I use AWORKA and soon as it highlights a debtor i.e overdue then the emails start.

I work an 8 weekly scheduled rotation and payments are required within 7 days of invoice date i.e in my account.

Debtor is someone who is late paying upon our mutually agreed payment terms and not scheduled for a next clean - No exceptions.

Customer is someone who has no outstanding payments and is scheduled for a next clean.

Big difference between a Debtor and a Customer.... Most of these people would have a hissy fit if their wages, payments, pensions were even a day late.... I see no reason why a payment cannot be made on time these days.

Obviously a customers history will affect how you deal with them but repeat late payments is a choice they make.

As soon as I get a smell in my nose now about a customer/debtor I take immediate action to both get the money and find 2 replacements, once I find these 2 replacements I can then look back at the 'Find & Replace list' and make a decision if required.... Its all a fun game to keep me on my toes now ;D.

Customers are not my friends, nothing wrong with being friendly, more and more I see each call like servicing my very own herd of cows, turn up, milk them and do it over again at a scheduled date.

I find little joy in window cleaning alot of the time, rather watch Netflix, eat pop-corn in my underpants to be honest.... So getting paid makes it all the more worthwhile.

The more I know the less I know I know ...

JandS

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Re: Bad Payers
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2017, 03:15:36 pm »
Most of my customers I have had for 10+ years and most live no more than half a mile away but the odd one or two still go 3 or 4 times before paying but it's not a problem....never yet had to threaten any of them with debt court..... dropping people after 2 cleans with no payment would leave me with barely a round and let others in on the area I cover.
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

Stoots

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Re: Bad Payers
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2017, 04:41:59 pm »
Most of my customers I have had for 10+ years and most live no more than half a mile away but the odd one or two still go 3 or 4 times before paying but it's not a problem....never yet had to threaten any of them with debt court..... dropping people after 2 cleans with no payment would leave me with barely a round and let others in on the area I cover.
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Thats quite the opposite way i work.

Generally i allow one clean max, after 7 days i start reminding them, the way i see it is by the time they are next due they have likely had 3-4 reminders. If they still havent paid or at least answered then to me they are ignorant MODDED. once it gets to next clean without payment the next text they get will be to say they are on hold awaiting payment. If still no reply then next step would be debt letter. I have perhaps a handfull who i let go to 2 cleans, mainly those who pay cash and cant/wont pay online this is simply to stop me having to go out collecting it on a night, but even then after 2 cleans i would be chasing that money before another clean.

You need to keep a rein on it imo as cash flow is important

Ian taf

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Re: Bad Payers
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2017, 05:12:47 pm »
Yes, we all pick up those bad payers. Most of the time they've been ditched by other window cleaners, but if they haven't paid after one month, even after all the texting and messaging etc, then they aren't  going to pay up!
if the matter continues, simply ditch them, which is what I do.
I use GoCardless, which is ok, but the customer can cancel the authorisation to pay you, so it isn't a sure bet. I now prefer to use IZettle card reader, which is ideal for those customers who say they don't have cash. No more excuses, it takes credit cards and debit cards, either by customer using their pin, or if the amount is under £30, its contactless. No more sorry will pay you when I have cash or other excuses now. Works a treat.
Check out IZettle acrd reader which cost a mere £35 to purchase.

tony day

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Re: Bad Payers
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2017, 07:56:31 pm »
Picked up alot of new customers already last few months and as you do, i have inherited some that are bad payers.  I'm not the best when it comes to being really efficient with outstanding payments.  Atm, i seem to have a debtlist always over £500 and some weeks close to £1000, which i think its quite high.

For the first time ever i have about 4 customers that owe me between 3-5 cleans, so i have cancelled their service, and must have called round for the money atleast 5 times.  Text reminders, called to collect as they were supposed to be online payers.  I have just signed up for the Thomas Higgins letter, because im sick of some bad payers taking me for a mug.

Can anybody recommend any other ways to get payment off those awkward customers.  Some even say right to my face, yes il pay it now online on my phone, and then they never do....

I want to get some of these people onto GoCardless so i just take the payment whenever i want.  So first question, how can i get people onto GoCardless easily?  Some people just dont want to make any effort at all to pay, i need to make it as easy as possible for them.

Second, i am slightly worried that some of my customers that are bad payers, probably have £0 in the bank on a regular basis, so that isn't really going to work as a Direct Debit if they are waiting to get paid or whatever.

I realise that i now should just drop these customers, but the thing is some of them are okay, not all bad.  Some are just difficult to get when trying to collect.  I think if i can swap them over to online in some cases it would eliminate the problem.

Just need to get stricter with accepting payment, i've been a bit rubbish lately, and it's just building up...

One more thing, with the Thomas Higgins Letter, when is it appropriate or legal to use this letter.  I'm planning on using it on 2 customers that have been told about 4/5 times they owe me money and yet they still haven't paid.  One owes £48, other £40.

I saw a post on here saying about Small Claims Court, but only if you have "proof" then you are more or less going to win the case.  What is enough proof to do this?  Alot of domestic is just verbal contracts.  If some customers never text you back, i have no written proof that they owe money, other than my daily worksheets, which show they haven't paid me, is that even enough legally?  Cba, to go to small claims court faffing about, unless i know im 100% going to win the money, otherwise would rather just write it off as a loss, rather than wasting more time.
Basically Window cleaning is sh#t! It's a job for the unwanted, that couldn't terrify the help! 

slap bash

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Re: Bad Payers
« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2017, 08:40:10 pm »
I find the best way to get paid is starting from day one with a  policy what you will do when customers are lax payers. You will need to consider the area you work in. Are your customers mostly skint?  If so change you work patch. How do you ask or inform your customer of the amount owning? Some just drop a grubby card through the letter box. This does not mean business. Get an invoice book and have a rubber stamp made with your business name and address and write a proper invoice. Mimic other businesses. Have a gentle reminder card to pay.As most are just sloppy in paying. Drop these 10-14 days after you have cleaned. Keep a record of each days cleanes. So you can tick off as the pay. Expect to be paid I have seen so many on here just walk away because in the heart they don't expect payment.You have the right and should expect it. After 2 gentle reminders call and ask for the cash. This should happen before your next clean. Have a letter with a threat to take legal action. Post it or hand deliver it. I will only do a second clean if they are with me more than 6 cleans and skip a payment. Don`t let them threaten you or go to the police. THis is my policy I do with all customers. I still get bad payers but not many.  I am like a pair of wet pants for payment. I stick with it. Be a pain in their ass. Don`t let it be a pain in yours.

Walter Mitty

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Re: Bad Payers
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2017, 02:50:29 am »
I've tightened up with this recently.  Traditionally, I've taken it easier with long standing customers.  However, a couple of these let me down a while back. If I missed her, one usually sent a cheque after two (sometimes three) cleans.  Then a few months back, when I was meant to do the fourth clean, instead I left a reminder through her door for the three cleans.  Never heard a peep from her.  Was cleaning her neighbour's place recently when sh came home so was going to call for the payment.  She drove off within two minutes (she definitely saw me too - the layout is such that she couldn't miss me).  The other one sent me a cheque the day the fourth clean was due.  I decided to drop her anyway as it's been persistent over many years.  I'm anticipating hearing more about that one as I clean a relative's place nearby.
I've been ripped off for money before, but never by someone who has been a customer for ten years.  So I've decided to gradually cull the pee takers.

dazmond

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Re: Bad Payers
« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2017, 07:57:05 am »
have you noticed its ALWAYS the same customers paying late!i only keep some of them on because their well priced and fit in with a little patch of work in that area.looking through texts to some customers and i have to remind some after EVERY clean. ::)roll

luckily its only a few here and there.most are good customers who dont need reminders and pay in a reasonable time.

imagine if all our customers were as bad at paying as the few?we d all have gone out of business years ago!
price higher/work harder!

Spruce

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Re: Bad Payers New
« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2017, 09:00:07 am »
The job isn't completed until its been paid for by the customer. Friday night is our debt collecting night so that's how we keep on top of it.

At the moment we have 12 outstanding debts totaling £449.00
£392.00 are the total of 4 commercial jobs. I first job is for £230  which we did at the end of July. They process cheque payments at the end of the following month, ie August and we expect to receive a cheque by the 10th of September. If it doesn't appear then I'm on to it immediately.
The second commercial is a job which we get paid 2 weeks after completion, so this will be week beginning 21st of this month and expect the 3rd commercial payment in about 2 weeks time from the council. This is all programed into my head so I'm watching for them .
The 4th Commercial is a clean I do over the weekend and collect money from their petty cash during the following week - which could well be today.

The rest are residential awaiting collection/payment. If I miss them on a Friday evening then I will stop and knock when passing by.
£28.00 are usually paid by credit transfer (1 is for a clean we did Friday last week and the other 2 we did on Monday), 1 is for a school teacher who teaches in Manchester and comes home occasionally - not paid yet but no problem as he could well be away on a school trip with pupils during the summer holidays. He always drops a cheque in through the front door when he's around. - we did that job 3 weeks ago but I took the job on knowing the situation with regard to payment delays. He says he's retiring in March next year so will be around to pay on the day after that.



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dazmond

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Re: Bad Payers
« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2017, 09:09:13 am »
The job isn't completed until its been paid for by the customer. Friday night is our debt collecting night so that's how we keep on top of it.
At the moment we have 12 outstanding debts totaling £449.00
£392.00 are the total of 4 commercial jobs. I first job is for £230  which we did at the end of July. They process cheque payments at the end of the following month, ie August and we expect to receive a cheque by the 10th of September. If it doesn't appear then I'm on to it immediately.
The second commercial is a job which we get paid 2 weeks after completion, so this will be week beginning 21st of this month and expect the last commercial payment in about 2 weeks time from the council. This is all programed into my head so I'm watching for them .
The 4th Commercial is a clean I do over the weekend and collect money from their petty cash during the following week - which could well be today.

The rest are residential awaiting collection. If I miss them on a Friday evening then I will stop and knock when passing by.

do you not offer BACS payments spruce?nearly all my commercial pay this way now as well as lots of domestic.of course i still get a few cheques here and there and cash but collecting is drastically reduced compared to a few years ago.
price higher/work harder!