Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: zesty on February 02, 2019, 08:14:46 am
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£21,470 on a quick google search.
Looks like window cleaners are either poor, or cash is still king.
No way could I live off that wage!
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£21,470 on a quick google search.
Looks like window cleaners are either poor, or cash is still king.
No way could I live off that wage!
That will be for employed Window Cleaners. Btw employed window cleaners in my area earn nowhere near that much. £50 /per day (cash) is still the going rate up here.
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A guy near me pays £35 a day cash in hand to his helpers....tradders....
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The repayments on the motor are £20,000 a year.
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A guy near me pays £35 a day cash in hand to his helpers....tradders....
That’s ridiculous!
I remember when I was 18 working with a family friend I was on £42 a day. That was 10 years ago, and even then that was a poor wage for down here.
It forced me to start my own round though, never looked back.
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A guy near me pays £35 a day cash in hand to his helpers....tradders....
That’s ridiculous!
I remember when I was 18 working with a family friend I was on £42 a day. That was 10 years ago, and even then that was a poor wage for down here.
It forced me to start my own round though, never looked back.
the same guy used to pay me £20 a day back in 1992! ;D
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I pay myself quite a bit less than that to be fair.
I don't really find it a problem as used to live on about 16k a year before being a window cleaner.
The rest is staying in my company for growth.
To be honest I wouldn't know what to do with 40-50k a year, just not used to having money I would just waste it on crap.
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I pay myself quite a bit less than that to be fair.
I don't really find it a problem as used to live on about 16k a year before being a window cleaner.
The rest is staying in my company for growth.
To be honest I wouldn't know what to do with 40-50k a year, just not used to having money I would just waste it on crap.
It’s amazing how you end up spending it mate, I survived on next to nothing when I went solo at 22 years old. Then again I was living at home with with my mum
My wage is much much bigger now, yet still find ways to spend it. Mortgage, bills, home improvements, holidays, gym, sports, meals, out with friends etc.
I think we live to our means. Take lee, he’s got a nice wage, a big company, but it’s all relevant, he’s got the expensive car etc to pay for.
If I lived like I did when living at home with my mum now, I’d be rolling in it 😎
Instead, there always seems to be something to spend it on!
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I pay myself quite a bit less than that to be fair.
I don't really find it a problem as used to live on about 16k a year before being a window cleaner.
The rest is staying in my company for growth.
To be honest I wouldn't know what to do with 40-50k a year, just not used to having money I would just waste it on crap.
It’s amazing how you end up spending it mate, I survived on next to nothing when I went solo at 22 years old. Then again I was living at home with with my mum
My wage is much much bigger now, yet still find ways to spend it. Mortgage, bills, home improvements, holidays, gym, sports, meals, out with friends etc.
I think we live to our means. Take lee, he’s got a nice wage, a big company, but it’s all relevant, he’s got the expensive car etc to pay for.
If I lived like I did when living at home with my mum now, I’d be rolling in it 😎
Instead, there always seems to be something to spend it on!
f**k it......just spend it if you ve got it.....buy(or lease) a nice new car,go on exotic holidays and stay in luxury hotels and dine in the finest restaurants,have a professionally fitted diesel heater if you want one and an expensive electric reel.....you only live once....we ll all be dead in a few years anyway....you cant take it with you...... ;D
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this is AFTER you ve got a solid round/business and have a healthy emergency fund built up of at least 3 months outgoings(preferably 6 months)......this can take a few years to achieve but all the best things in life take time to build.......
just like our personal relationships.....nearly 7 years with my missus now....
playing drums(honing my craft)33 years now off and on.....(started playing at 14 yrs of age)
bodybuilding(3 years going regularly after a 20 year break! ;D)
window cleaning(26 years in the business,started in 1993)
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I pay myself quite a bit less than that to be fair.
I don't really find it a problem as used to live on about 16k a year before being a window cleaner.
The rest is staying in my company for growth.
To be honest I wouldn't know what to do with 40-50k a year, just not used to having money I would just waste it on crap.
It’s amazing how you end up spending it mate, I survived on next to nothing when I went solo at 22 years old. Then again I was living at home with with my mum
My wage is much much bigger now, yet still find ways to spend it. Mortgage, bills, home improvements, holidays, gym, sports, meals, out with friends etc.
I think we live to our means. Take lee, he’s got a nice wage, a big company, but it’s all relevant, he’s got the expensive car etc to pay for.
If I lived like I did when living at home with my mum now, I’d be rolling in it 😎
Instead, there always seems to be something to spend it on!
f**k it......just spend it if you ve got it.....buy(or lease) a nice new car,go on exotic holidays and stay in luxury hotels and dine in the finest restaurants,have a professionally fitted diesel heater if you want one and an expensive electric reel.....you only live once....we ll all be dead in a few years anyway....you cant take it with you...... ;D
I love it Daz, when you put luxury holidays in the same sentence as a diesel heater, as if they are BOTH worth spending you're hard earned on.
I would shell out on one of those things but wouldn't put both down as sensible ways of spending my money 😅 😅😅😅
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each to their own mate but i dont regret splashing out on the grippa heater one bit.....its a quality piece of kit and comes into its own during this biting cold weather..... :)
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Ita all relevant isnt it, pending where you live and the cost of living. For instance i would love to charge all my customers london prices but thats never going to happen.
Back in the day when i worked for other shiners in my late teens (18/19) i was only getting between 20 - 30 a day.
Yes theres plenty of work for everyone and im trying to expand into affluent areas but i find they can be more tight than areas less off. But many have targeted these areas and still charge relatively low prices to keep competition out. Whichbis fair enough to them, but i would rather charge a good price and be kept because they dont want to loose a good cleaner.
So peoples yearly net or gross is pending where they are.
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Have want you want in life
As long as you can afford it
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I pay myself quite a bit less than that to be fair.
I don't really find it a problem as used to live on about 16k a year before being a window cleaner.
The rest is staying in my company for growth.
To be honest I wouldn't know what to do with 40-50k a year, just not used to having money I would just waste it on crap.
It’s amazing how you end up spending it mate, I survived on next to nothing when I went solo at 22 years old. Then again I was living at home with with my mum
My wage is much much bigger now, yet still find ways to spend it. Mortgage, bills, home improvements, holidays, gym, sports, meals, out with friends etc.
I think we live to our means. Take lee, he’s got a nice wage, a big company, but it’s all relevant, he’s got the expensive car etc to pay for.
If I lived like I did when living at home with my mum now, I’d be rolling in it 😎
Instead, there always seems to be something to spend it on!
f**k it......just spend it if you ve got it.....buy(or lease) a nice new car,go on exotic holidays and stay in luxury hotels and dine in the finest restaurants,have a professionally fitted diesel heater if you want one and an expensive electric reel.....you only live once....we ll all be dead in a few years anyway....you cant take it with you...... ;D
I think it's best to invest some and spend some. If you spend it all you are not growing your income and if you invest it all you are not enjoying the money you make.
A balance is best I think.
If I want something I buy it and i go on holiday 2-3 times a year. Want for nothing really just not an extravagant person.
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I pay myself quite a bit less than that to be fair.
I don't really find it a problem as used to live on about 16k a year before being a window cleaner.
The rest is staying in my company for growth.
To be honest I wouldn't know what to do with 40-50k a year, just not used to having money I would just waste it on crap.
It’s amazing how you end up spending it mate, I survived on next to nothing when I went solo at 22 years old. Then again I was living at home with with my mum
My wage is much much bigger now, yet still find ways to spend it. Mortgage, bills, home improvements, holidays, gym, sports, meals, out with friends etc.
I think we live to our means. Take lee, he’s got a nice wage, a big company, but it’s all relevant, he’s got the expensive car etc to pay for.
If I lived like I did when living at home with my mum now, I’d be rolling in it 😎
Instead, there always seems to be something to spend it on!
f**k it......just spend it if you ve got it.....buy(or lease) a nice new car,go on exotic holidays and stay in luxury hotels and dine in the finest restaurants,have a professionally fitted diesel heater if you want one and an expensive electric reel.....you only live once....we ll all be dead in a few years anyway....you cant take it with you...... ;D
Daz, I do all that. Except for the leased van. I bought my custom out right ;D
Last year went to:
Oxford for a long weekend in April (4 star)
Corfu in May (4star)
Zakynthos very end of August (4 star)
Budapest for a long weekend in December.
That why I was telling Gomo, as my wage increased so did my spending :o
Also my vans better than yours daz, it’s a transit custom limited 8) ;D
I don’t stay 5 star, but then my mortgage and bills are much much higher than your rent, swings and roundabouts mate ;)
I always remember where I’ve come from though. I started my round with a ladder, squeegees cloths and applicator. Used to walk round my estate cleaning 4 houses. That’s where it started. Didn’t even have a car with a roof rack, so had to walk!
Amazing how far I’ve come, I’m not rich, but live very comfortably, and feel blessed to be where I am. Never ever would have dreamed I’d be in this position as a window cleaner. 👍🏼
It’s good to see where your at these days too Daz. I know your past has been rocky. Les be thankful!
Must say though, if I lived in Manchester, I’d need atleast 8 holidays to get away from the weather 😜
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21k? That’s a laugh! I don’t get anywhere near that, after 30 years, and yes it’s my own business.
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21k? That’s a laugh! I don’t get anywhere near that, after 30 years, and yes it’s my own business.
Same here :'(
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21k? That’s a laugh! I don’t get anywhere near that, after 30 years, and yes it’s my own business.
How is this possible even up north? This cant be right can it?
All my employees are earning over £30k a year working for me (cleaners) my office staff both earn over £25k
The lowest I would expect a one man band who works for himself has to be £150 a day??
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21k? That’s a laugh! I don’t get anywhere near that, after 30 years, and yes it’s my own business.
Clearly not charging enough.
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There’s plenty of shiners up here still charging 1980’s prices. I live in a 1960’s semi in a nice part of town, local window cleaner cleans 2 weekly and charges £3.50 for I’d be charging £12. I can’t he’s earning £21k per year but that’s his choice for not valuing his service.
There’s also plenty that do value there own service and turn over £40k/£50k+ easily enough.
Don’t always believe the people that say it’s impossible to make a good living up north, sometimes it’s just a matter of choice.
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350 £4 customers per month
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21k? That’s a laugh! I don’t get anywhere near that, after 30 years, and yes it’s my own business.
Is that trad or wfp?
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There’s plenty of shiners up here still charging 1980’s prices. I live in a 1960’s semi in a nice part of town, local window cleaner cleans 2 weekly and charges £3.50 for I’d be charging £12. I can’t he’s earning £21k per year but that’s his choice for not valuing his service.
There’s also plenty that do value there own service and turn over £40k/£50k+ easily enough.
Don’t always believe the people that say it’s impossible to make a good living up north, sometimes it’s just a matter of choice.
There’s a guy on Facebook that moved from Oxford to Darlington and is charging the same prices as he did in Darlington and now has two vans. Adam his name is. I agree with you. It’s a mindset.
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21k? That’s a laugh! I don’t get anywhere near that, after 30 years, and yes it’s my own business.
You must have rock bottom prices and do you only work 2 days a week?
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Local WC who used to clean my girlfriend's 4 bed house(until 6 months ago)was charging £4-50!!!absolutely crazy prices.....He s been window cleaning for many years too...... ::)roll
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21k? That’s a laugh! I don’t get anywhere near that, after 30 years, and yes it’s my own business.
Is that trad or wfp?
mostly wfp. I have been increasing prices for new jobs, but some need increasing still.
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21k? That’s a laugh! I don’t get anywhere near that, after 30 years, and yes it’s my own business.
You must have rock bottom prices and do you only work 2 days a week?
No I do not. I charge around £6.50 for a council house, £7 for 3 bed semi. Houses with conservatory about £10 and I work 5 days a week.
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You should be earning a lot more RPWC, where do you live?
I suppose up north that’s probably an ok wage...
I’m in Essex and charge £20 for a 4 bed.
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21k? That’s a laugh! I don’t get anywhere near that, after 30 years, and yes it’s my own business.
You must have rock bottom prices and do you only work 2 days a week?
No I do not. I charge around £6.50 for a council house, £7 for 3 bed semi. Houses with conservatory about £10 and I work 5 days a week.
Why so low?
But saying that I still have some old prices similar to those still that are getting hiked up this tax year, so i will have very little under my ten pound minimum. Ive been building a round up slowly and putting more effort into it this year where the prices are between 15 -20 every 4 wks. So when i hike the old ones up, if they want to call it a day, they can do so.
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21k is less than £90 a day over 48 weeks, that’s very poor money
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21k is less than £90 a day over 48 weeks, that’s very poor money
10 years ago this was me when I was trad.....in fact it was even less(around 18k a year)......
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350 £4 customers per month
You 've got to be joking!......I hope? ::)roll
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350 £4 customers per month
You 've got to be joking!......I hope? ::)roll
Joke 😂 - I’d of given up a long time ago if any of my customers were under £10 each ::)roll
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350 £4 customers per month
You 've got to be joking!......I hope? ::)roll
Yep, he only has 250 customers and used the wrong emoji, it was meant to be the crying face.
;D ;D
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350 £4 customers per month
You 've got to be joking!......I hope? ::)roll
Joke 😂 - I’d of given up a long time ago if any of my customers were under £10 each ::)roll
Why?I still clean some jobs which are under £10 and turn over roughly £45k a year working part time hours....
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350 £4 customers per month
You 've got to be joking!......I hope? ::)roll
Joke 😂 - I’d of given up a long time ago if any of my customers were under £10 each ::)roll
Why?I still clean some jobs which are under £10 and turn over roughly £45k a year working part time hours....
Mate I do this job to earn as much as I can in as least hours as possible. Having a minimum price helps me achieve this
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350 £4 customers per month
You 've got to be joking!......I hope? ::)roll
Joke 😂 - I’d of given up a long time ago if any of my customers were under £10 each ::)roll
Why?I still clean some jobs which are under £10 and turn over roughly £45k a year working part time hours....
Mate I do this job to earn as much as I can in as least hours as possible. Having a minimum price helps me achieve this
i still clean some £5 fronts interspersed with my other cheap compact estate jobs...im still earning £40-£50 an hour on this work so im happy.....
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350 £4 customers per month
You 've got to be joking!......I hope? ::)roll
Joke 😂 - I’d of given up a long time ago if any of my customers were under £10 each ::)roll
Why?I still clean some jobs which are under £10 and turn over roughly £45k a year working part time hours....
Mate I do this job to earn as much as I can in as least hours as possible. Having a minimum price helps me achieve this
i still clean some £5 fronts interspersed with my other cheap compact estate jobs...im still earning £40-£50 an hour on this work so im happy.....
What I’m saying is , if my prices were so low that I can’t even make 21k a year in my own business then what’s the flipping point. My uncle works for Royal Mail as a postie and takes home £600 a week
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When I quote new jobs or price anything it’s irrelevent to me what another cleaner may have charged or was charging,I’ve had many jobs over the years when I’ve gone along to price a job given a price of say 35 when they’ve said the other WCleaner used to charge around 18 or 20.
Makes no difference to me at all what another WCleaner charges I want what I want for any particular job,I don’t agree with the prices being the same south of London though if you compare what you would get for the equivalent property down here I can’t see them going for what I want for a large house down south up North.
If your a city worker earning 2-300 thousand a year 80-100 for your Windows to be cleaned on your house ain’t the end of the world.
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You have to price to the volume of quotes you want to convert.
If you quote 3 bed semis and £20 and get 5% of quotes vs quoting £8 and getting 90% then that is what it is, so decide what you want higher prices and less work or lower prices and more work
Despite what people say different areas do have different prices, i work in two citys currently, one considered more affluent than the other, higher house prices etc. In this area i get about 50% of quotes accepted compared to 25% in the city where i live at the same prices.
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I’ve heard GreenPro clean talk about prices should be the same up North as down South,this is never going to happen imo,a coffee is the same petrols the same etc.
The thing he fails to mention is that wages are not the same house prices are not the same,within 25-30 miles of me heading slightly north the same house can be in some cases almost double in value just because of a direct rail link to London where the train takes 55 minutes into Waterloo East,my point is the people in the more affluent area will always expect to have to pay more for any service,they are used to paying bigger mortgages more for there vehicles every month etc.
It obviously does still happen I know a couple of WCleaners who still charge lower amounts per clean but they are kept on almost for the I feel sorry for him kind of reason,as soon as they go they are expecting the price to be 4x what they were paying before without a quibble if they see someone who’s running it as a business.
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Although some terrace and cul de sac work can be good earners myself I would try to steer clear,although 3 quick 15 quid jobs may seem good at the end of the day it’s 3 individual customers.
3 individual personalities 3 potential hold ups on any given day etc,you will always feel like your running with a higher amount of jobs per day even though it may pay well,I’ve had days in years gone by when I’ve earned the same amount in the same time,1 of the days may have been 15 jobs the other day may have been 3,I know what I’d rather do day to day.
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350 £4 customers per month
You 've got to be joking!......I hope? ::)roll
Joke 😂 - I’d of given up a long time ago if any of my customers were under £10 each ::)roll
Why?I still clean some jobs which are under £10 and turn over roughly £45k a year working part time hours....
Mate I do this job to earn as much as I can in as least hours as possible. Having a minimum price helps me achieve this
i still clean some £5 fronts interspersed with my other cheap compact estate jobs...im still earning £40-£50 an hour on this work so im happy.....
What I’m saying is , if my prices were so low that I can’t even make 21k a year in my own business then what’s the flipping point. My uncle works for Royal Mail as a postie and takes home £600 a week
A postman doing a flat week without loads of overtime and I mean loads will not take home 600 a week and I know that for a fact,a lot stick at it because they are to far into the pension scheme,a couple I know want out but they’ve done 18-20 years and if they go it will almost collapse there pension. I think taking home 350-400 a week is a more realistic figure working a flat week.
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350 £4 customers per month
You 've got to be joking!......I hope? ::)roll
Joke 😂 - I’d of given up a long time ago if any of my customers were under £10 each ::)roll
Why?I still clean some jobs which are under £10 and turn over roughly £45k a year working part time hours....
Mate I do this job to earn as much as I can in as least hours as possible. Having a minimum price helps me achieve this
i still clean some £5 fronts interspersed with my other cheap compact estate jobs...im still earning £40-£50 an hour on this work so im happy.....
What I’m saying is , if my prices were so low that I can’t even make 21k a year in my own business then what’s the flipping point. My uncle works for Royal Mail as a postie and takes home £600 a week
A postman doing a flat week without loads of overtime and I mean loads will not take home 600 a week and I know that for a fact,a lot stick at it because they are to far into the pension scheme,a couple I know want out but they’ve done 18-20 years and if they go it will almost collapse there pension. I think taking home 350-400 a week is a more realistic figure working a flat week.
A flat week for night workers is around 500 take home including shift allowance and machine allowance , I know that for a fact because he’s showed me his wage slip.
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Did you say night worker and did you say 500 I think you said 6.
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When I quote new jobs or price anything it’s irrelevent to me what another cleaner may have charged or was charging,I’ve had many jobs over the years when I’ve gone along to price a job given a price of say 35 when they’ve said the other WCleaner used to charge around 18 or 20.
Makes no difference to me at all what another WCleaner charges I want what I want for any particular job,I don’t agree with the prices being the same south of London though if you compare what you would get for the equivalent property down here I can’t see them going for what I want for a large house down south up North.
If your a city worker earning 2-300 thousand a year 80-100 for your Windows to be cleaned on your house ain’t the end of the world.
Some is a mind set i agree. Theres a chap i know who charges the most in the areas and by a considerable amount too. When i heard his prices i nearly choked (hes a chap i know and believe). Yet he gets the work still, so something is said for that. However at the same time Ive had a number of his customers ask me for quotes as they feel hes a bit expensive. So yes he gets the work but keeping the work is something else. It wouldnt be too bad if he took it to 8 wks instead.
Yet there are plenty of areas where they would chase you out the area if you said 80 for cleaning their 3 bed terraced house.
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GreenPro says you should charge the same in Derby-Nottingham etc as you charge in the South,well I know that’s not correct because he’s talking about doing houses for 12-15-20 quid.
Not many houses being cleaned for that sort of price where I am,I saw a house that he did he mentioned it was around the 20 quid mark.
If he charged those kind of prices down south he’d be considered a cheap window cleaner.
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Did you say night worker and did you say 500 I think you said 6.
Yes I did - he does overtime and takes home around 600 . Sounds a lot better than not earning 21k a year though donut
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Green Pro has just mentioned in his last video that his average house price is around £14.60
To me that is very low but probably normal in Derbyshire.
Average house price in Bucks is around £20.00
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You should be earning a lot more RPWC, where do you live?
I suppose up north that’s probably an ok wage...
I’m in Essex and charge £20 for a 4 bed.
I work in south Northumberland, in one of the estates I cover, there is a bunch of trad doleys doing the houses for a fiver, including porches and conservatories. One gaffer, one regular worker and about 3/ 4. others, different faces nearly every time. I have lost quite a few jobs to him as folk feeling the pinch. I will not reduce my prices or match his.
So here in north east , we wouldn't be able to charge the price you can get in Essex
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Green Pro has just mentioned in his last video that his average house price is around £14.60
To me that is very low but probably normal in Derbyshire.
Average house price in Bucks is around £20.00
He's in the Midlands, I think that's high, my average is £12 and I'm not cheap for my area...i would be considered north in Wakefield, but further north worse it gets, up Tyneside prices will be lower still.
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Green Pro has just mentioned in his last video that his average house price is around £14.60
To me that is very low but probably normal in Derbyshire.
Average house price in Bucks is around £20.00
He's in the Midlands, I think that's high, my average is £12 and I'm not cheap for my area...i would be considered north in Wakefield, but further north worse it gets, up Tyneside prices will be lower still.
No I think that’s cheap. He’s East Midlands I’m West Midlands with an average just shy of £20
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Green Pro has just mentioned in his last video that his average house price is around £14.60
To me that is very low but probably normal in Derbyshire.
Average house price in Bucks is around £20.00
He's in the Midlands, I think that's high, my average is £12 and I'm not cheap for my area...i would be considered north in Wakefield, but further north worse it gets, up Tyneside prices will be lower still.
Gomo, if you can get into commercial, that’d probably be not much different (price wise) than down south. I reckon that’s the way to go for some of you guys up north. Tapping into commercial is lucrative...
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Green Pro has just mentioned in his last video that his average house price is around £14.60
To me that is very low but probably normal in Derbyshire.
Average house price in Bucks is around £20.00
He's in the Midlands, I think that's high, my average is £12 and I'm not cheap for my area...i would be considered north in Wakefield, but further north worse it gets, up Tyneside prices will be lower still.
Gomo, if you can get into commercial, that’d probably be not much different (price wise) than down south. I reckon that’s the way to go for some of you guys up north. Tapping into commercial is lucrative...
I only do commercial for people I know already, commercial is very cut throat up here, its all about getting the job done cheap as possible,rather than have a regular trustworthy and reliable window cleaner .
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As for that postman’s wage working nights and overtime for 600 I’d say that was crap money for unsociable hours + overtime,I’ve not seen many happy postman on my travels that’s for sure they all moan about the job.
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As for that postman’s wage working nights and overtime for 600 I’d say that was crap money for unsociable hours + overtime,I’ve not seen many happy postman on my travels that’s for sure they all moan about the job.
Deliveries are crap , that’s why they’re unhappy. Talk to posties in mail centres , it’s a different story.
If you were given the choice of having your own business and earning 350 a week full time , no sick pay etc or a full time job on nights paying 600 - I’m sure most would go for the employment
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One of my guys was a postman a phg ,was in the post office for 30years he wasn’t earning anything like that maximum of £450 and he was a manager , he’s glad to be out of it
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Green Pro has just mentioned in his last video that his average house price is around £14.60
To me that is very low but probably normal in Derbyshire.
Average house price in Bucks is around £20.00
He's in the Midlands, I think that's high, my average is £12 and I'm not cheap for my area...i would be considered north in Wakefield, but further north worse it gets, up Tyneside prices will be lower still.
No I think that’s cheap. He’s East Midlands I’m West Midlands with an average just shy of £20
Yeh but I'm not Midlands so I think it's high ;D
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Green Pro has just mentioned in his last video that his average house price is around £14.60
To me that is very low but probably normal in Derbyshire.
Average house price in Bucks is around £20.00
He's in the Midlands, I think that's high, my average is £12 and I'm not cheap for my area...i would be considered north in Wakefield, but further north worse it gets, up Tyneside prices will be lower still.
Gomo, if you can get into commercial, that’d probably be not much different (price wise) than down south. I reckon that’s the way to go for some of you guys up north. Tapping into commercial is lucrative...
Never bothered with it as couldn't find a way to get them, tried emails, cold calling etc but not much luck. Easier to build domestic work...
Done a few that came to me but never liked doing them, too.much red tape, wearing hi viz and using cones etc, having to sign in and out, can't do this or that. Then having to wait months to get paid. On top of that ones I did quote seemed to just want a cheaper price than I can earn on domestic.
Overall I've no interest in, happy doing domestic
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That’s fair enough mate, appreciate your point.
I couldn’t be without my commercial work, its basically my biggest income. It is annoying doing RAMS but once it’s done, it’s done.
Domestic can be just a lucrative, I Just love getting the big lump sums each month. I don’t know if I’d still be window cleaning if I was purely domestic.
I think you’ll do well though mate. Seems you’ve got a plan and you’ve stuck at it 👍🏼
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As for that postman’s wage working nights and overtime for 600 I’d say that was crap money for unsociable hours + overtime,I’ve not seen many happy postman on my travels that’s for sure they all moan about the job.
Deliveries are crap , that’s why they’re unhappy. Talk to posties in mail centres , it’s a different story.
If you were given the choice of having your own business and earning 350 a week full time , no sick pay etc or a full time job on nights paying 600 - I’m sure most would go for the employment
I've got two young ex posties working for me. It's a lot less hours and more money.
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As for that postman’s wage working nights and overtime for 600 I’d say that was crap money for unsociable hours + overtime,I’ve not seen many happy postman on my travels that’s for sure they all moan about the job.
Deliveries are crap , that’s why they’re unhappy. Talk to posties in mail centres , it’s a different story.
If you were given the choice of having your own business and earning 350 a week full time , no sick pay etc or a full time job on nights paying 600 - I’m sure most would go for the employment
I've got two young ex posties working for me. It's a lot less hours and more money.
8 Weekly i worked for Royal Mail for 22 years in Croydon south London, i did deliveries when i first started, then worked
in the Mail Centre for the rest of the years, worked all the shifts over the years Earlys Lates Nights, did lots of overtime,
you can earn good money, but you have to put the hours in, i took early Voluntary redundancy in 2011, moved to Ireland,
started window cleaning in 2012, does take years to get established if you persevere, but well worth the rewards, being
your own boss, good money in the summer months, very very sociable hours unlike The Royal Mail, i could never go back
to that job and them hours again. :o
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As for taking 600 a week over being a self employed WCleanet no thanks I think I’ll stick with my stick cleaning glass thanks,it all depends what your used to earning.
Ask him the same question if he knew what some were earning or what you could earn 30-40 hours a week.
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When I quote new jobs or price anything it’s irrelevent to me what another cleaner may have charged or was charging,I’ve had many jobs over the years when I’ve gone along to price a job given a price of say 35 when they’ve said the other WCleaner used to charge around 18 or 20.
Makes no difference to me at all what another WCleaner charges I want what I want for any particular job,I don’t agree with the prices being the same south of London though if you compare what you would get for the equivalent property down here I can’t see them going for what I want for a large house down south up North.
If your a city worker earning 2-300 thousand a year 80-100 for your Windows to be cleaned on your house ain’t the end of the world.
I went to price up a nice 1.3 million house up the other week, rich bloke with own business.
He seemed in a hurry to get on with his day so I thought, don't price low
Told him £90 8 weekly
He snapped my hand off
Cleaned twice now, all good
I'm in Cheshire
Some don't mind paying for a quality window cleaner, like me😂😂😂
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Cheshire is a good area though up North most of the red and blue footballers live in Cheshire.
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Iv yet to meet a customer who wants to make me rich, they will pay what they need to pay, start in an area full of shiners doing a decent job for crap money and you will struggle to get better, that doesn't mean if you work smart you still cant make a decent living, I would say the HMRC average wage is down to the fact that a lot of self employed shiners don't do full time hours.
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They expect to see figures in the region of 25-30k per filed Tax year I was informed by someone who knows.
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if the average is 25k a year and mines 45k a year then over 5 years thats £100,000 more than the average windy (and working short hours too)....even with paying more tax/higher expenses ive still got plenty left over for a diesel heater........ 8)
i still dont get how some one man bands claim to earn £60k+ a year on their own working similar hours to me........yet scrimp and scrape,drive old vans and DIY everything......something doesnt add up........
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if the average is 25k a year and mines 45k a year then over 5 years thats £100,000 more than the average windy (and working short hours too)....even with paying more tax/higher expenses ive still got plenty left over for a diesel heater........ 8)
i still dont get how some one man bands claim to earn £60k+ a year on their own working similar hours to me........yet scrimp and scrape,drive old vans and DIY everything......something doesnt add up........
I’m guessing they don’t pay £70 a week rent they may have children. I’m sure the 60k you doubt you would achieve if your circumstances dictated
Tony
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if the average is 25k a year and mines 45k a year then over 5 years thats £100,000 more than the average windy (and working short hours too)....even with paying more tax/higher expenses ive still got plenty left over for a diesel heater........ 8)
i still dont get how some one man bands claim to earn £60k+ a year on their own working similar hours to me........yet scrimp and scrape,drive old vans and DIY everything......something doesnt add up........
I’m guessing they don’t pay £70 a week rent they may have children. I’m sure the 60k you doubt you would achieve if your circumstances dictated
Tony
true....if you have 2 kids,wife and a fairly high mortgage then that would swallow a big chunk of the £60K.......
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if the average is 25k a year and mines 45k a year then over 5 years thats £100,000 more than the average windy (and working short hours too)....even with paying more tax/higher expenses ive still got plenty left over for a diesel heater........ 8)
i still dont get how some one man bands claim to earn £60k+ a year on their own working similar hours to me........yet scrimp and scrape,drive old vans and DIY everything......something doesnt add up........
You're right Daz. In my experience it seems to be part & parcel of being a window cleaner. Sooner or later the conversation with other windies always gets round to money...and then all the bullpoop comes out! ::)roll
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if the average is 25k a year and mines 45k a year then over 5 years thats £100,000 more than the average windy (and working short hours too)....even with paying more tax/higher expenses ive still got plenty left over for a diesel heater........ 8)
i still dont get how some one man bands claim to earn £60k+ a year on their own working similar hours to me........yet scrimp and scrape,drive old vans and DIY everything......something doesnt add up........
Because they’re growing their business and keep it all in the business account instead of living like royalty 👑
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over 1500 views but only 72 replies on this thread....... ;D
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if the average is 25k a year and mines 45k a year then over 5 years thats £100,000 more than the average windy (and working short hours too)....even with paying more tax/higher expenses ive still got plenty left over for a diesel heater........ 8)
i still dont get how some one man bands claim to earn £60k+ a year on their own working similar hours to me........yet scrimp and scrape,drive old vans and DIY everything......something doesnt add up........
They spend what they need to spend to get the job done only fools and show offs do other.
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Rather spend profits on building extension than some fancy wfp equipment. Only buy what wfp gear I need to last the year and no more. Bricks and mortar are a better investment than piling it back into the business as a one man band.
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Rather spend profits on building extension than some fancy wfp equipment. Only buy what wfp gear I need to last the year and no more. Bricks and mortar are a better investment than piling it back into the business as a one man band.
each to their own...id rather have better equipment myself! :)
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Rather spend profits on building extension than some fancy wfp equipment. Only buy what wfp gear I need to last the year and no more. Bricks and mortar are a better investment than piling it back into the business as a one man band.
each to their own...id rather have better equipment myself! :)
In the twenty years I've been window cleaning the value off my home has increased 400%. Mortgage paid off now on my own.. Debt free. Cars and fancy wfp tanks, etc depreciate from day one of purchase. Can't understand why people invest in growing a business and running themselves into the ground trying to expand with all the headaches that go with it when your property increases in value from day one. I've run a business and expanded, then had to stop owing to ill health for a year. Life has taught me health, family and friends comes before wealth. Time is more precious. :)
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Save save save is ok if you suffer from severe anxiety and think you’re gonna live as the average life is mapped out,retire at 60-65 pay you’re mortgage off early don’t buy anything on credit the list goes on.
The funny thing is life is short and things don’t always go the way we think they will,if you speak to a lot of people over a certain age they all say the same thing I wished I’d done it all when I was younger I don’t want to sit at airports now I can’t do the travelling etc.
My view is if you can afford it and you want it have it,who knows what’s round the corner,a lot of people spend there whole life working to leave it to there kids but they will never know that when they aren’t here anymore there kids will be gagging to spend what they’ve tried to save there whole lives,worth thinking about I guess as I’ve heard that same story from more than a dozen 70+ older people.
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Wife, kids, x wife or x wives, on going long term illnesses etc etc is the reality of many or can be the reality of it.
Its also true that it depends where in the country you are as to prices you can charge on a large scale and as some have mentioned, their aim could be for a balanced life and not of gaining riches and sometimes that is down to lessons learnt harshly or through unfortunate turns of events in a persons health.
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if the average is 25k a year and mines 45k a year then over 5 years thats £100,000 more than the average windy (and working short hours too)....even with paying more tax/higher expenses ive still got plenty left over for a diesel heater........ 8)
i still dont get how some one man bands claim to earn £60k+ a year on their own working similar hours to me........yet scrimp and scrape,drive old vans and DIY everything......something doesnt add up........
Yeh but is the 25k a year turnover or after tax?
60k a year and having less costs equals more profit than 45k and having more costs.
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10 years ago, I was earning more than I am now. I have been a window cleaner for 27 years.
however I earn far more per hour now , but I work less hours.
I am far better off now than I have ever been.
10 years ago , I had a wife (that didn't work) and 3 children . I had credit cards and loans and needed to work really hard to get by
5 years ago, my wife left... I basically had the children 70% of the time, but had to pay maintenance to ex wife just to keep her happy and maintain peace for my kids sake
it was very hard, but I got through it, and it taught me to live within my means.
2 years ago my partner moved in ... she earns the same as me....we have no loans or credit cards. we have a brand new car paid with cash... I have a newish van all paid for. and we have plenty of surplus.
our kids apart from my son are now adults.
my daughter works for me.
its all about circumstances. because I have been pennyless and struggling when I had young children and a wife that was useless, it has taught me to appreciate money , and use it wisely
balance is the key
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You have to remember Daz, you are not normal. Most people your age have families and property, maybe kids starting Uni. Not many live the selfish life that you do. Hence we don’t feel the need to brag our earnings or outgoings all over an internet forum. Bit harsh I know but but you live in a world most of us grew out of in our twenties. What you don’t know is what many of us spend our money on and unfortunately a heater, new van, drumkit, and a hairdressers car are not top priority to many. ;)
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Say it as it is Dave :o ;D
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You sound like you’re living a life like me then Daz 😂
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It maybe not a selfish life some people have kids and bills and think it’s a way of life,it’s not it’s a choice. I know people that have kids and all they do is moan about how much they cost and never have and spare money,they have one then another then maybe another it’s a choice they make.
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:) yes but by and large most are married, have kids etc. A cleaner on 60k a year may well have different priorities. Years ago you’d look at someone’s car and you knew if they earned a good wage or not. These days you look at their car and it doesn’t show you their wealth, it just shows you what they owe.
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You have to remember Daz, you are not normal. Most people your age have families and property, maybe kids starting Uni. Not many live the selfish life that you do. Hence we don’t feel the need to brag our earnings or outgoings all over an internet forum. Bit harsh I know but but you live in a world most of us grew out of in our twenties. What you don’t know is what many of us spend our money on and unfortunately a heater, new van, drumkit, and a hairdressers car are not top priority to many. ;)
I know!most of my band mates are married with kids and mortgages etc,it's never appealed to me tbh.....
I do have a partner and 2 grown up stepkids(19 yr daughter,26 yr old son)and a dog though.....I just don't live with them full time mate! :D
I hope I never 'grow out of my twenties'as u put it! :D :D.......I'll be playing drums until the day I die! 8)
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You have to remember Daz, you are not normal. Most people your age have families and property, maybe kids starting Uni. Not many live the selfish life that you do. Hence we don’t feel the need to brag our earnings or outgoings all over an internet forum. Bit harsh I know but but you live in a world most of us grew out of in our twenties. What you don’t know is what many of us spend our money on and unfortunately a heater, new van, drumkit, and a hairdressers car are not top priority to many. ;)
I know!most of my band mates are married with kids and mortgages etc,it's never appealed to me tbh.....
I do have a partner and 2 grown up stepkids(19 yr daughter,26 yr old son)and a dog though.....I just don't live with them full time mate! :D
I hope I never 'grow out of my twenties'as u put it! :D :D.......I'll be playing drums until the day I die! 8)
I think what Dave is trying to say is nobody gives a sh i t about your earnings or savings in reality with your cars and vans your in Debt ;D although being in your twenty's is certainly a blast ;D. My brother is a bit like you no kids or mortgage etc and its a good break when i stay at his but must admit i do like coming home to the kids afterwards they are a complete pain in the ass but wouldn't change it for anything.
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I haven't got 3 women on the go like I did in my twenties though....I don't think I'd have the energy these days!haha ;D
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I haven't got 3 women on the go like I did in my twenties though....I don't think I'd have the energy these days!haha ;D
Thats the downside of getting older ;D
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They all say I like going home to my kids lol,all I’ve heard is if I had my time again I wouldn’t have bothered 😂 each to there own I suppose.
I know a lot of people with kids I also know a lot of kids that talk and treat there parents like dirt.
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So, being honest, what do we reckon is an expected Turnover for a sole operator working say 6 hrs on the glass 5 days a week for 40 weeks a year?
I think some honest answers may help a few to see where they are compared to others.
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So, being honest, what do we reckon is an expected Turnover for a sole operator working say 6 hrs on the glass 5 days a week for 40 weeks a year?
I think some honest answers may help a few to see where they are compared to others.
do you take 3 months off every year then?thats going to reduce your earnings a fair bit.......
i used to turnover around £18k a year when trad only....9 years later its around £45k WFP....based on 46 weeks a year 4 or 5 days a week.....
as long as you have enough to cover your bills with a bit left over...anything else is a bonus....
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So, being honest, what do we reckon is an expected Turnover for a sole operator working say 6 hrs on the glass 5 days a week for 40 weeks a year?
I think some honest answers may help a few to see where they are compared to others.
Not really. So districts and counties dont come into play at all? What one person thinks is high, might be actually low in their district
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I had this conversation last week 25-30 is expected to be submitted as net,of course this is not going to be the same in every area and depending on what you do.
All trades have an average and I’ve been informed this is the sole trader average for us.
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IMO its not worth taking any more than £35k a year in wages anyway. The amount of tax you start to pay when it nudges £40k and the self employed payment on accounts is a killer at that level for small sole trader businesses, assuming of course you report your earnings accurately. ::)roll :P
This is why i went LTD, my business is set to turn over an actual real throughput of £55k of real cash by the end of March, not based on a customer list, this is actual accounts which is quite different. I get 15 grand a year, the misses the same on PAYE..bills paid no worries.
Rest of the money stays in the business, i can draw some dividends down if i need to and more importantly my business is separate from my personal taxation. Still only working 4 days a week also, and at around £58k on my customer list (its gone down a bit due to some halted customers)..
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So, being honest, what do we reckon is an expected Turnover for a sole operator working say 6 hrs on the glass 5 days a week for 40 weeks a year?
I think some honest answers may help a few to see where they are compared to others.
The honest answer is the one quoted at the start of this thread, its from HMRC, there's no way you're going to get a true reflection on what shiners earn from actual shiners, remember most shiners tend to be ashamed/embarrassed about what they do for a living so big up their earnings to hide that fact.
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IMO its not worth taking any more than £35k a year in wages anyway. The amount of tax you start to pay when it nudges £40k and the self employed payment on accounts is a killer at that level for small sole trader businesses, assuming of course you report your earnings accurately. ::)roll :P
This is why i went LTD, my business is set to turn over an actual real throughput of £55k of real cash by the end of March, not based on a customer list, this is actual accounts which is quite different. I get 15 grand a year, the misses the same on PAYE..bills paid no worries.
Rest of the money stays in the business, i can draw some dividends down if i need to and more importantly my business is separate from my personal taxation. Still only working 4 days a week also, and at around £58k on my customer list (its gone down a bit due to some halted customers)..
Tax is a mare, especially paying on account. I also hate having to pay in July as well.
Thinking of going Ltd myself, but only if the wife stops working so she can be take some of my wage to reduce tax.
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IMO its not worth taking any more than £35k a year in wages anyway. The amount of tax you start to pay when it nudges £40k and the self employed payment on accounts is a killer at that level for small sole trader businesses, assuming of course you report your earnings accurately. ::)roll :P
This is why i went LTD, my business is set to turn over an actual real throughput of £55k of real cash by the end of March, not based on a customer list, this is actual accounts which is quite different. I get 15 grand a year, the misses the same on PAYE..bills paid no worries.
Rest of the money stays in the business, i can draw some dividends down if i need to and more importantly my business is separate from my personal taxation. Still only working 4 days a week also, and at around £58k on my customer list (its gone down a bit due to some halted customers)..
Tax is a mare, especially paying on account. I also hate having to pay in July as well.
Thinking of going Ltd myself, but only if the wife stops working so she can be take some of my wage to reduce tax.
Shouldnt matter if the wife is still working, its still going to be better for you to go LTD.
If you are turning over more than £35k a year as a sole trader, you really are at the limit of what you can do and will start to pay too much in tax, but more importantly you will become a target from HMRC, as I was.
if you go Ltd, Take a PAYE salary (dont just take the 11500 allowance, take same wages where you pay some tax, that way you will build up NI contributions and your state pension will be worth more) Take what you need to live on, and if you need extra money for whatever, you have a dividend allowance which is tax free, and you can even borrow money from your own company and use it like a credit card if you really have to. PAYE is easier, as your company will pay the tax for you at source of wages, no payments on account. Corporation tax is only 19 percent and that's due to go down again, plus no payments on account for that either.
Only downside is accounts and accountants, fees can be high especially in the 1st year of transfer from sole trader to ltd status if done correctly to the book..
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IMO its not worth taking any more than £35k a year in wages anyway. The amount of tax you start to pay when it nudges £40k and the self employed payment on accounts is a killer at that level for small sole trader businesses, assuming of course you report your earnings accurately. ::)roll :P
This is why i went LTD, my business is set to turn over an actual real throughput of £55k of real cash by the end of March, not based on a customer list, this is actual accounts which is quite different. I get 15 grand a year, the misses the same on PAYE..bills paid no worries.
Rest of the money stays in the business, i can draw some dividends down if i need to and more importantly my business is separate from my personal taxation. Still only working 4 days a week also, and at around £58k on my customer list (its gone down a bit due to some halted customers)..
Tax is a mare, especially paying on account. I also hate having to pay in July as well.
Thinking of going Ltd myself, but only if the wife stops working so she can be take some of my wage to reduce tax.
Shouldnt matter if the wife is still working, its still going to be better for you to go LTD.
If you are turning over more than £35k a year as a sole trader, you really are at the limit of what you can do and will start to pay too much in tax, but more importantly you will become a target from HMRC, as I was.
if you go Ltd, Take a PAYE salary (dont just take the 11500 allowance, take same wages where you pay some tax, that way you will build up NI contributions and your state pension will be worth more) Take what you need to live on, and if you need extra money for whatever, you have a dividend allowance which is tax free, and you can even borrow money from your own company and use it like a credit card if you really have to. PAYE is easier, as your company will pay the tax for you at source of wages, no payments on account. Corporation tax is only 19 percent and that's due to go down again, plus no payments on account for that either.
Only downside is accounts and accountants, fees can be high especially in the 1st year of transfer from sole trader to ltd status if done correctly to the book..
Why is this Marc ?
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Because the more money you earn the higher interest they have in collecting the correct amount of tax.
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Because the more money you earn the higher interest they have in collecting the correct amount of tax.
Oh ok
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Its all about economy of scale.
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So, being honest, what do we reckon is an expected Turnover for a sole operator working say 6 hrs on the glass 5 days a week for 40 weeks a year?
I think some honest answers may help a few to see where they are compared to others.
In the south, after 3/4 years £70k is very achievable as a one man band. In 40 weeks.
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Yep that's full time though.
No thanks to full time..
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I imagine the average WFP window cleaner in the south is easily capable of earning 50,000 before tax.
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So, being honest, what do we reckon is an expected Turnover for a sole operator working say 6 hrs on the glass 5 days a week for 40 weeks a year?
I think some honest answers may help a few to see where they are compared to others.
In the south, after 3/4 years £70k is very achievable as a one man band. In 40 weeks.
£70k with 3 months off a year?yeah!.....i bet theres loads earning that! ::)roll......i doubt it very much.....
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So, being honest, what do we reckon is an expected Turnover for a sole operator working say 6 hrs on the glass 5 days a week for 40 weeks a year?
I think some honest answers may help a few to see where they are compared to others.
In the south, after 3/4 years £70k is very achievable as a one man band. In 40 weeks.
£70k with 3 months off a year?yeah!.....i bet theres loads earning that! ::)roll......i doubt it very much.....
It’s only me who holds me back 😁
I don’t know but would think it’s achievable
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lol you lot need to start aiming a bit higher!
If I go to the reports page of cleaner planner and select revenue by user and select the date 1st jan 18 to 31st dec 18 here is what I see.
So not all of my team (10 cleaners) were with me for all of 2018 but from the ones that were here are their totals for the year. I will also say my staff all get 20 days paid holiday and all bank holidays off paid.
Andy £78,368
Chris £76,070
Danny £65,848
Dean £83,248
Luke £60,728 (he also had a month off extra when his wife was very sick)
Mike £74,623
Tom £72,660
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So, being honest, what do we reckon is an expected Turnover for a sole operator working say 6 hrs on the glass 5 days a week for 40 weeks a year?
I think some honest answers may help a few to see where they are compared to others.
In the south, after 3/4 years £70k is very achievable as a one man band. In 40 weeks.
£70k with 3 months off a year?yeah!.....i bet theres loads earning that! ::)roll......i doubt it very much.....
Well it’s certainly very achievable. It takes hard work in generating the work and not even above average prices tbh. That’s obviously not profit and it’s only 40 weeks and easily done between 9 and 3.
My experience of why window cleaners fail to earn is that they get to a certain level (say £200 a day) and think they’re full. Thereafter they are always panicking when they lose a customer or two because they’ve stopped seeking more work and relying on walk ups and recommendations.
Incidentally my three guys do a little more than Lee’s, but they don’t travel as far.
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Also one of our goals for this year is each guy doing a bit more per day. So far this is working well just bu giving each of them about £30 more per day on average. I hope to see them all doing over £80k a year as a result. So far so good.
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lol you lot need to start aiming a bit higher!
If I go to the reports page of cleaner planner and select revenue by user and select the date 1st jan 18 to 31st dec 18 here is what I see.
So not all of my team (10 cleaners) were with me for all of 2018 but from the ones that were here are their totals for the year. I will also say my staff all get 20 days paid holiday and all bank holidays off paid.
Andy £78,368
Chris £76,070
Danny £65,848
Dean £83,248
Luke £60,728 (he also had a month off extra when his wife was very sick)
Mike £74,623
Tom £72,660
wow they are very impressive figures Lee but i bet they work more than 5 or 6 hours a day.still very good though! :)
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oh yes I forgot to mention that.
My guys all work full time, 5 days a week and are out of the yard before 7am most days as we cover a huge area. 40 miles or more radius
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Also one of our goals for this year is each guy doing a bit more per day. So far this is working well just bu giving each of them about £30 more per day on average. I hope to see them all doing over £80k a year as a result. So far so good.
If I was one of your guys I'd be out on my own!!
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well none of them are.
Its not as if they could be doing that in year 1 if they did. maybe year 3 if they were lucky. All my team are earning over £30k a year, paid holidays, pention, sick pay ect with no stress, all they do is turn up, go home and get paid. They have it all looked after for them. Not everyone wants to work for themselves or have all the other things that go with running a business.
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I would imagine doing 70k a year to be p easy in the right area
I COULD do 1500 a week if I wanted to, full time Mon to Friday 7-8 hours a day and thats at "northern prices" of £10-£12 a house. So what's that almost 70k a year for a 45 week year. .
When chaps talk of average prices of £20 or more surely they must be able to do £400-£500 a day solo? Vat threshold must be fairly easy to do in some areas at that kind of pricing.
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oh yes I forgot to mention that.
My guys all work full time, 5 days a week and are out of the yard before 7am most days as we cover a huge area. 40 miles or more radius
How do you manage to start work at 7am on residentials - are your customers not still in bed and it’s dark?
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well none of them are.
Its not as if they could be doing that in year 1 if they did. maybe year 3 if they were lucky. All my team are earning over £30k a year, paid holidays, pention, sick pay ect with no stress, all they do is turn up, go home and get paid. They have it all looked after for them. Not everyone wants to work for themselves or have all the other things that go with running a business.
Or.... 80k per year with no boss! they could have 6 months off and still be earning more money.
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oh yes I forgot to mention that.
My guys all work full time, 5 days a week and are out of the yard before 7am most days as we cover a huge area. 40 miles or more radius
How do you manage to start work at 7am on residentials - are your customers not still in bed and it’s dark?
I have few I do from 7am. They’re normally off to work at 7-30 ish and me in and out with the gate relocked before they leave There’s always ambient light from the house
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oh yes I forgot to mention that.
My guys all work full time, 5 days a week and are out of the yard before 7am most days as we cover a huge area. 40 miles or more radius
How do you manage to start work at 7am on residentials - are your customers not still in bed and it’s dark?
they probably dont start work at 7am,just leave the yard at that time,it might be another hour before they start.....8am....
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oh yes I forgot to mention that.
My guys all work full time, 5 days a week and are out of the yard before 7am most days as we cover a huge area. 40 miles or more radius
How do you manage to start work at 7am on residentials - are your customers not still in bed and it’s dark?
I have few I do from 7am. They’re normally off to work at 7-30 ish and me in and out with the gate relocked before they leave There’s always ambient light from the house
I used to start at 8, then a few years later it went up to 8:30 and now it’s 9! I really like starting at 9 now and finish later
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Just think about the reality of that for 1 minute. Would they as a one man band be out for that long every day 5 days a week year round? I doubt it. I never was.
Your thinking from the point of view of someone that already works for themselves. Not everyone has that mindset and theres the difference.
Suppose one of them decides tomorrow to do that. How long before their earning what I pay them now? How will they survive in the mean time and so on.
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oh yes I forgot to mention that.
My guys all work full time, 5 days a week and are out of the yard before 7am most days as we cover a huge area. 40 miles or more radius
How do you manage to start work at 7am on residentials - are your customers not still in bed and it’s dark?
They start at 8am. As I said they leave the yard by 7 due to covering a big area.
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oh yes I forgot to mention that.
My guys all work full time, 5 days a week and are out of the yard before 7am most days as we cover a huge area. 40 miles or more radius
How do you manage to start work at 7am on residentials - are your customers not still in bed and it’s dark?
I have few I do from 7am. They’re normally off to work at 7-30 ish and me in and out with the gate relocked before they leave There’s always ambient light from the house
I used to start at 8, then a few years later it went up to 8:30 and now it’s 9! I really like starting at 9 now and finish later
you ll be starting at 930am and be done for 3pm in a few years and be earning more money than you do now......thats how its worked out for me..... ;D
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If that is just window cleaning that is fantastic. I make a lot more doing the extras than cleaning windows. I actually prefer to slot a gutter, drive, carpet clean job in each day if i can :)
It would blow my mind just cleaning glass every day no stop
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Just think about the reality of that for 1 minute. Would they as a one man band be out for that long every day 5 days a week year round? I doubt it. I never was.
Your thinking from the point of view of someone that already works for themselves. Not everyone has that mindset and theres the difference.
Suppose one of them decides tomorrow to do that. How long before their earning what I pay them now? How will they survive in the mean time and so on.
I agree to a point but think of it like this-
they are out at 7am right now to line someone else's pockets, what better motivation than to do the same and keep all the gold.
They have already gained the knowledge of pricing structure and what is achievable. They could poach your work, do it for less and still be on a real winner.
You have already motivated them to a certain degree- to work their socks off for someone else for 30k they must be motivated.
They will know just how cheap it is to set up on their own- a year of hard work is certainly worth the end result.
None of this requires anything more than a tiny bit of common sense and motivation.
You do well to keep them and I agree about the mindset, I've seen it before but it must be very tempting knowing just how much wealth they are creating and handing a huge chunk over to someone else- particularly when they see that someone else's lifestyle/fancy car etc.
With the information you have made public I'm surprised the local competition haven't destroyed you! I wouldn't dream of posting what you do.
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with all due respect you are simply just wrong. Because it hasnt ever happend.
As for local competition, good luck to them I say. They wont destroy me because none of them are me. I decided to do whatever it takes to be number 1, to be the biggest. I dont know a single person on here or anywhere else that is as obsessed as I am or as comfortable taking the sort of risks I have, spending the sort of money I do and so on. Show me someone else that would sell their house to grow their business. Frankly going through what I have in the last 3 years would have killed most people I know. Fact is I can now simply out spend any other company in the south. My yearly marketing budget this year is £100k far more than most even turnover never mind willing to spend. One of my team sets up against me, I follow him taking a note of every customer address, then on the same day they all get a letter offering them 12 months free window cleaning. Game over. His round is gone overnight.
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I was gaining respect for you before that post. However, you've just shown what an idiot you can be!! ;D
You are not yet proven, you have to sustain what you have achieved and you spill all the information anyone could wish for on public forums! ;D
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once a customer finds a decent window cleaner they very rarely jump ship even if their price is higher than a lot of other window cleaners as long as their on longer frequency cleans(8 weekly,12 weekly,etc)....you can keep them for many years.....
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once a customer finds a decent window cleaner they very rarely jump ship even if their price is higher than a lot of other window cleaners as long as their on longer frequency cleans(8 weekly,12 weekly,etc)....you can keep them for many years.....
You would need to double your prices to make £80k a year, are you saying your reputation is so bad that you couldn't win their work at half the price ?
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interesting reading
there are 2 types of business in this debate
1... the sole trader ..... can achieve great earning potential . anywhere between 30 -70k depending on location... maybe more with a little help of part time workers that are cash in hand .... also bear in mind that its a lot of cash jobs probably... never spoken of (need I say more ? )
downfall to this .... ill health be it family or ourselves.... can really put a spanner in it!
2 ... what we all admire ! what lee pryor has done...
built a business , where he doesn't need to be hands on at all times ... he earns money whilst on holiday, or through ill health.
a well oiled machine ! a business that will earn more and can be sold for a lot of money!
downfall for this ? I would imagine the journey to be extremely stressful at times , and also sometimes lonely .... having to make the final decisions.
both are good . both have pros and cons ....
one thing I have learnt , and the hard way ... happiness comes in many different ways ... many of lifes pleasures are free, and on the whole its not our income that is the issue .
its our outgoings !
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interesting reading
there are 2 types of business in this debate
1... the sole trader ..... can achieve great earning potential . anywhere between 30 -70k depending on location... maybe more with a little help of part time workers that are cash in hand .... also bear in mind that its a lot of cash jobs probably... never spoken of (need I say more ? )
downfall to this .... ill health be it family or ourselves.... can really put a spanner in it!
2 ... what we all admire ! what lee pryor has done...
built a business , where he doesn't need to be hands on at all times ... he earns money whilst on holiday, or through ill health.
a well oiled machine ! a business that will earn more and can be sold for a lot of money!
downfall for this ? I would imagine the journey to be extremely stressful at times , and also sometimes lonely .... having to make the final decisions.
both are good . both have pros and cons ....
one thing I have learnt , and the hard way ... happiness comes in many different ways ... many of lifes pleasures are free, and on the whole its not our income that is the issue .
its our outgoings !
That's good.
But there is also somewhere in the middle, the chap with 2-3 vans, a couple of staff and maybe does a couple of days himself.
A balance between having an income that's not entirely dependent on himself but without the hassle of a massive business.
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lol you lot need to start aiming a bit higher!
If I go to the reports page of cleaner planner and select revenue by user and select the date 1st jan 18 to 31st dec 18 here is what I see.
So not all of my team (10 cleaners) were with me for all of 2018 but from the ones that were here are their totals for the year. I will also say my staff all get 20 days paid holiday and all bank holidays off paid.
Andy £78,368
Chris £76,070
Danny £65,848
Dean £83,248
Luke £60,728 (he also had a month off extra when his wife was very sick)
Mike £74,623
Tom £72,660
I'd sack Danny. Danny is a slacker 😛
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interesting reading
there are 2 types of business in this debate
1... the sole trader ..... can achieve great earning potential . anywhere between 30 -70k depending on location... maybe more with a little help of part time workers that are cash in hand .... also bear in mind that its a lot of cash jobs probably... never spoken of (need I say more ? )
downfall to this .... ill health be it family or ourselves.... can really put a spanner in it!
2 ... what we all admire ! what lee pryor has done...
built a business , where he doesn't need to be hands on at all times ... he earns money whilst on holiday, or through ill health.
a well oiled machine ! a business that will earn more and can be sold for a lot of money!
downfall for this ? I would imagine the journey to be extremely stressful at times , and also sometimes lonely .... having to make the final decisions.
both are good . both have pros and cons ....
one thing I have learnt , and the hard way ... happiness comes in many different ways ... many of lifes pleasures are free, and on the whole its not our income that is the issue .
its our outgoings !
Do you have any understanding of sole trader? Why would it have to be cash in hand if getting part time help?
A sole trader can employ full time or part time employees.
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I would imagine doing 70k a year to be p easy in the right area
I COULD do 1500 a week if I wanted to, full time Mon to Friday 7-8 hours a day and thats at "northern prices" of £10-£12 a house. So what's that almost 70k a year for a 45 week year. .
When chaps talk of average prices of £20 or more surely they must be able to do £400-£500 a day solo? Vat threshold must be fairly easy to do in some areas at that kind of pricing.
Nail on the head hit here,that’s why it’s very hard for WCleaners that work in a certain area impossible to grasp.
If you are in a certain area the amounts mentioned above are hit regularly,as you say it’s all about price or average price not about whether you are doing 30-50 houses a day or not.
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If I knew of 2 that didn’t want the hassle and responsibility genuinely I’d have them next week,I’ve had many over the years but they all have a different attitude.
To scale up a window cleaning business the people are more key to it than say a warehouse business where you would be able to get someone in to stack shelf’s and know what they are doing within days of starrying the job,it would be an achievement for someone to be able to get in a van and be able to drive and find my jobs without a problem this itself would take a long time. To a major extent after they have been able to do this you would be very beholden to them as like I say this itself would take some doing.
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with all due respect you are simply just wrong. Because it hasnt ever happend.
As for local competition, good luck to them I say. They wont destroy me because none of them are me. I decided to do whatever it takes to be number 1, to be the biggest. I dont know a single person on here or anywhere else that is as obsessed as I am or as comfortable taking the sort of risks I have, spending the sort of money I do and so on. Show me someone else that would sell their house to grow their business. Frankly going through what I have in the last 3 years would have killed most people I know. Fact is I can now simply out spend any other company in the south. My yearly marketing budget this year is £100k far more than most even turnover never mind willing to spend. One of my team sets up against me, I follow him taking a note of every customer address, then on the same day they all get a letter offering them 12 months free window cleaning. Game over. His round is gone overnight.
Ok then big head ;D
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If I knew of 2 that didn’t want the hassle and responsibility genuinely I’d have them next week,I’ve had many over the years but they all have a different attitude.
To scale up a window cleaning business the people are more key to it than say a warehouse business where you would be able to get someone in to stack shelf’s and know what they are doing within days of starrying the job,it would be an achievement for someone to be able to get in a van and be able to drive and find my jobs without a problem this itself would take a long time. To a major extent after they have been able to do this you would be very beholden to them as like I say this itself would take some doing.
I’ve got three fantastic employees. I’ve gone through five in total and have never had any problems. Pay properly, give proper contracts and benefits and there are no problems. The ones that seem to have problems pay cash in hand.
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One of my team sets up against me, I follow him taking a note of every customer address, then on the same day they all get a letter offering them 12 months free window cleaning. Game over. His round is gone overnight.
I'm surprised you'd feel so threatened given the level of success you've achieved. I worked for someone years ago before setting up on my own. I was never out to set up against them or build an empire, just be my own boss with hours to suit me, ultimately being in control of my own future. Out of interest what's the age range of the guys you have working for you ? do they have jobs for as long as they want them or only as long as they keep the pace and reach their targets ? Its inevitable they will gradually slow as they age, we all do. And what then ? when they wish to go solo with their own small round because they're tiring of the long hours and pressure to keep the pace - you'd prevent them from doing so even though they had worked so hard for you helping you make your business the success it is . Think on that.
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One of my team sets up against me, I follow him taking a note of every customer address, then on the same day they all get a letter offering them 12 months free window cleaning. Game over. His round is gone overnight.
I'm surprised you'd feel so threatened given the level of success you've achieved. I worked for someone years ago before setting up on my own. I was never out to set up against them or build an empire, just be my own boss with hours to suit me, ultimately being in control of my own future. Out of interest what's the age range of the guys you have working for you ? do they have jobs for as long as they want them or only as long as they keep the pace and reach their targets ? Its inevitable they will gradually slow as they age, we all do. And what then ? when they wish to go solo with their own small round because they're tiring of the long hours and pressure to keep the pace - you'd prevent them from doing so even though they had worked so hard for you helping you make your business the success it is . Think on that.
All Southern window cleaners beware....Lee "KRAY" Pryor is in town! He's gonna hunt you down and destroy you overnight!! ;D
What a walloper!! ;D
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I dont feel threatened at all I was just giving an example of what could happen should someone working for me set up in competition. Its never happened and im not worried about it.
Haha as for people thinking Im big headed ect...... Yes I am. You have to be in order to push on to this level and beyond. You need a certain mindset to cope with the stress. I think you need to be a little mad and very confident. Its not easy.
Lee Kray Pryor.... now thats funny. :o
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Lee
What makes you think you are the biggest in the south?
By turnover?
By vans on the road?
Or by profit
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Is that set up in competition or set up in competition by trying to get your customers to jump ship. There’s a big a difference and you havent stipulated.
One is defending your business the other might be construed as something a little more serious.
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Lee
What makes you think you are the biggest in the south?
By turnover?
By vans on the road?
Or by profit
A fair question.
I know of no other company in any area we cover that generates as much business as we do. I am happy to stand corrected if thats wrong. To be clear by what I mean by that I am refering to residential non franchised businesses.
Anyone that wants to challange my statement is welcome to contact me directly at our office.
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I don't see other local window cleaners as competition, even if they think I am to them.
There is enough work to go around for anyone who looks for it, and from my viewpoint, as I don't want anything other than to make a reasonable living, I see no reason to be greedy.
John
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I don’t think you realise the amount of work someone like Lee would have to have to keep 8-10 cleaners going,any competition especially someone who’s worked for him would or could damage his business.
A lot of companies have the same approach to new competition they either buy them out or offer the same deal as he is where’s they offer say a years free cleans to stay with him,different league but Sky use or would use the same approach.
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3 of his workers leave him and within a matter of weeks he could have 15-20k knocked off of his turnover a month.
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3 of his workers leave him and within a matter of weeks he could have 15-20k knocked off of his turnover a month.
Yes but Lee pays them well. I think they are on a percentage of the days takings, 30% or something like that. They are not going to leave if they are earning over £30k and have family commitments etc.
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Surly there would be something in their contract of employment to stop them starting on their own.
What happens if one wants to leave and work for someone else? They would still know the round and prices? they worked for Lee and could flyer it or the new employer could.
Maybe Lee has it right, fair pay with lots of opportunities to earn more
Competition is a fact of business we can’t own a patch
Tony
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Yeah if I was earning 600 quid a week and I all of a sudden realised I could be earning over and above 1200 odd instead I’d be thinking about Lee too lol,especially if they know between them where all the work is.
Window cleaners being window cleaners wouldn’t care about a piece of paper saying they couldn’t go after the work either,by the time you’d caught up with them and taken them to court you’d be exhausted having to go round every customer and making a list.
The thing with this job if you steal a customer and that customer won’t say they were stolen you don’t have a leg to stand in it’s there choice,you trey and get a customer to sign a contract saying they can only let you clean there windows forever lol,good luck with that one.
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As mentioned above I do have things like this in the contract.
Also as I have said before its not as if month 1 they would be earning anything like that. In fact if you really break it down they wouldnt earn much more on their own but would have all the stress and hasle and expenses they dont have right now.
As for leaving to work for another comapny that just wont happen. None of them pay anything close to what I do, dont provide new vans or top equipment pole ect. One of mine joined us in Nov from another local company. He couldnt believe the difference in pay and kit I was offering.
Heres a perfect example of something recently for us. In Jan one of our vans blew an engine, not even 3 years old and less than 30k on it. Staff member got nearly 2 weeks off on full pay and full end of month bonus, van being new ish all done for free. Now if he were a 1 man band he would have lost weeks of money and lets be honest the van probably wouldnt have been new enough to be covered and the bill would have been £6k.... From my point of view I just gave the others more each day to cover his absense and barely noticed any difference in our figures, in fact Jan was our second best month ever at £69k
I pay my team very very well, even in the office our manager told me her dec payslip was the most she had ever earned in her working life in 1 month and wanted to frame it, I treat them all well and provide the best kit on the market. Why leave and have all the hassle and expense. Nature has already shown us that there is safety in numbers.
I think everyone on here should remember that you are all people who work for yourselves, that is a certain type of person. Not everyone sees things the same way or there would be knowone buying a franchise or getting a job with anyone, but there is and thats because not everyone wants to go out alone nor does everyone have it in them to do that or take a chance.
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I don’t think you realise the amount of work someone like Lee would have to have to keep 8-10 cleaners going,any competition especially someone who’s worked for him would or could damage his business.
A lot of companies have the same approach to new competition they either buy them out or offer the same deal as he is where’s they offer say a years free cleans to stay with him,different league but Sky use or would use the same approach.
its 10 cleaners going and the amount is 5400 customers.
2 more vans currently on order and 1.25 million leaflets going out this year from April-Aug
If thiings pan out that will take us to a £million a year turnover., ready to order 3 more in 2020.
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As mentioned above I do have things like this in the contract.
Also as I have said before its not as if month 1 they would be earning anything like that. In fact if you really break it down they wouldnt earn much more on their own but would have all the stress and hasle and expenses they dont have right now.
As for leaving to work for another comapny that just wont happen. None of them pay anything close to what I do, dont provide new vans or top equipment pole ect. One of mine joined us in Nov from another local company. He couldnt believe the difference in pay and kit I was offering.
Heres a perfect example of something recently for us. In Jan one of our vans blew an engine, not even 3 years old and less than 30k on it. Staff member got nearly 2 weeks off on full pay and full end of month bonus, van being new ish all done for free. Now if he were a 1 man band he would have lost weeks of money and lets be honest the van probably wouldnt have been new enough to be covered and the bill would have been £6k.... From my point of view I just gave the others more each day to cover his absense and barely noticed any difference in our figures, in fact Jan was our second best month ever at £69k
I pay my team very very well, even in the office our manager told me her dec payslip was the most she had ever earned in her working life in 1 month and wanted to frame it, I treat them all well and provide the best kit on the market. Why leave and have all the hassle and expense. Nature has already shown us that there is safety in numbers.
I think everyone on here should remember that you are all people who work for yourselves, that is a certain type of person. Not everyone sees things the same way or there would be knowone buying a franchise or getting a job with anyone, but there is and thats because not everyone wants to go out alone nor does everyone have it in them to do that or take a chance.
Why didn’t you just put the guy in another van as a second man?
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Because of the way we pay wages as well as other reasons.
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Lee
What makes you think you are the biggest in the south?
By turnover?
By vans on the road?
Or by profit
Because nobody else would be foolish enough to try and build a large window cleaning business in the south, Lee's guys average £70k a year, he pays them £30k plus costs holiday pay and so on, lets say £40k, that leaves him around £300k for 2 office staff an office manager, 10 vans and all the other equipment, premises and marketing the list goes on, theres a reason why theres no Amazon or Virgin window cleaning.
Believe me if there was real money in this he wouldnt be broadcasting it to all on here.
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Lee
What makes you think you are the biggest in the south?
By turnover?
By vans on the road?
Or by profit
Because nobody else would be foolish enough to try and build a large window cleaning business in the south, Lee's guys average £70k a year, he pays them £30k plus costs holiday pay and so on, lets say £40k, that leaves him around £300k for 2 office staff an office manager, 10 vans and all the other equipment, premises and marketing the list goes on, theres a reason why theres no Amazon or Virgin window cleaning.
Believe me if there was real money in this he wouldnt be broadcasting it to all on here.
That's a good point actually. The average figure is a bit on the low side I think. Obviously I'm only 1/3 of the scale, but van by van my average is quite a bit higher. I can immediately see why Lee's might be lower mind you - because of the travelling. But mine start at 9 and are usually finished by 3.30 so dunno.
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Lee
What makes you think you are the biggest in the south?
By turnover?
By vans on the road?
Or by profit
Because nobody else would be foolish enough to try and build a large window cleaning business in the south, Lee's guys average £70k a year, he pays them £30k plus costs holiday pay and so on, lets say £40k, that leaves him around £300k for 2 office staff an office manager, 10 vans and all the other equipment, premises and marketing the list goes on, theres a reason why theres no Amazon or Virgin window cleaning.
Believe me if there was real money in this he wouldnt be broadcasting it to all on here.
Oh this is just pure gold! Actually made my day.
How on earth do you get to 40k per staff member? haha. One of the 2 girls is the manager so not 2 plus manager. I own 4 of our 10 vans outright and the list of where your wrong goes on and on.
So in your last sentence your saying there is no money in window cleaning. Jesus we all better find another job then!
Your totally right theres no money left for me, im skint ha!! My mrs and I will be poolside in dubai (again) in 3 weeks(4k for the week). While im there with a g&t in my hand at the swim up bar, still being paid and everything running fine without me, I will try to work out where it all went wrong. Dont worry I will let you know when the answer comes to me. In the mean time ive decided to not work today, (just because I can) instead I will jump in my brand new 75k m4 cabrio and drive into town where I will drop off my 7k breitling navitimer to get serviced before we go away. Then im off to purchase a new video camera which I plan to use for our new youtube chanel starting next month (watch this space) Oh and as theres no money in window cleaning I better swing by the job centre to sign on while im out! On my way home I might pop into the office just to see if the £4k on the worksheets for today got done and click the button to start all of it being collected by direct debit.
Yep, theres no money in window cleaning past being a 1 man band. I better cancel the 2 brand new vans on order. Thank god you were here to save me from myself before I made a huge mistake. :'(
Growing your business to achieve financial freedom and freedom of personal time = ...........brilliant
1 man band online haters slating a person whos business is fast approaching a million a year=.......... priceless!
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Any chance of you staying in Dubai?
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Lee has taken alot of risks, suffered lots of stress and has obviously put the hours in to build up his business. I would imagine he can put his feet up if he desires and reap the rewards (A lovely position to be in) or re-invest and build it even bigger (Still a lovely situation to be in).
Lee has made alot of valid points regarding the people who use this forum.
IMO nearly all on here will run there own business, its there little baby, they have spent time building it up and refining it, never in million years will they go back to being employed by someone, BUT, outside of this very small collection of self employed business owners is a massive world, full of people not wanting to take risks, people who are and do, quite happily work all there lives for someone else, making that employer or company a fortune over the years. Its they way the world works. Im sure if Lee has half of his lads leave tomorrow his business wont collapse and within a month it would be buisness as usual.
Why am I blowing smoke up Lee's bottom?
Years ago on this forum I suffered from similar 'always negative' comments. I decided too not really contribute on here anymore, instead just watch from the side lines and concentrate on proving people wrong.
What I have noticed is only a small amout of people seem to ask Lee the right sorts of questions or for advise. (Im sure some may contact him privately, good on them, tap into his knowledge on growing a big successful domestic window cleaning business) Most people are trying to drill down into all the negative aspects of running a larger business, maybe trying to justify in there own minds as to why they havn't or wont grow bigger.
I would imagine one of Lee's goals is not to have to work at all, yet still get well (very well) paid for all the work and stress he has/is going through now, getting paid continually in the future for very little or no input. I believe window cleaning residential properties is the almost 'perfect' business to achieve this in (I have started and been involved in many). Never continually having to replace or look for work, a domestic window cleaning business however big or small will look after itself (unless you are having to do the cleaning bit yourself ) if you have the right training and staff/operators in place.
My business is 99% residential, based up in the North East. I could if I wished retire today, close my office and unit down, stop growing and collect each week a hansome retirement wage, but aged 45, my plan is to continue building/re investing in the business till I am 50, then retire and actually enjoy the rewards, rather than living very simply as we do at the moment due to re-investing. (Remember this is MY plan, Im happy with the way we live at the moment because I can clearly see the end result and know what Im suffering for.)
It will have taken 14 years for me to get the business to this point.
So why this post?
Simple.
Everyone can learn something new every day IF you open your mind to new ideas. Your way of doing things may be just perfect for you, thats great, BUT when others share there idea's, dont shoot them down just because YOU personally dont think they will work.
Hope you all, whatever journey your on, have a good day and a prosperous 2019.
Keep shining.
Kind regards
Dave.
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Lee has taken alot of risks, suffered lots of stress and has odviously put the hours in to build up his business. I would imagine he can put his feet up if he desires and reap the rewards (A lovely position to be in) or re-invest and build it even bigger (Still a lovely situation to be in).
Lee has made alot of valid points regarding the people who use this forum.
IMO nearly all on here will run there own business, its there little baby, they have spent time building it up and refining it, never in million years will they go back to being employed by someone, BUT, outside of this very small collection of self employed business owners is a massive world, full of people not wanting to take risks, people who are and do, quite happily work all there lives for someone else, making that employer or company a fortune over the years. Its they way the world works. Im sure if Lee has half of his lads leave tomorrow his business wont collapse and within a month it would be buisness as usual.
Why am I blowing smoke up Lee's bottom?
Years ago on this forum I suffered from similar 'always negative' comments. I decided too not really contribute on here anymore, instead just watch from the side lines and concentrate on proving people wrong.
What I have noticed is only a small amout of people seem to ask Lee the right sorts of questions or for advise. (Im sure some may contact him privately, good on them, tap into his knowledge on growing a big successful domestic window cleaning business) Most people are trying to drill down into all the negative aspects of running a larger business, maybe trying to justify in there own minds as to why they havn't or wont grow bigger.
I would imagine one of Lee's goals is not to have to work at all, yet still get well (very well) paid for all the work and stress he has/is going through now, getting paid continually in the future for very little or no input. I believe window cleaning residential properties is the almost 'perfect' business to achieve this in (I have started and been involved in many). Never continually having to replace or look for work, a domestic window cleaning business however big or small will look after itself (unless you are having to do the cleaning bit yourself ) if you have the right training and staff/operators in place.
My business is 99% residential, based up in the North East. I could if I wished retire today, close my office and unit down, stop growing and collect each week a hansome retirement wage, but aged 45, my plan is to continue building/re investing in the business till I am 50, then retire and actually enjoy the rewards, rather than living very simply as we do at the moment due to re-investing. (Remember this is MY plan, Im happy with the way we live at the moment because I can clearly see the end result and know what Im suffering for.)
It will have taken 14 years for me to get the business to this point.
So why this post?
Simple.
Everyone can learn something new every day IF you open your mind to new ideas. Your way of doing things may be just perfect for you, thats great, BUT when others share there idea's, dont shoot them down just because YOU personally dont think they will work.
Hope you all, whatever journey your on, have a good day and a prosperous 2019.
Keep shining.
Kind regards
Dave.
Now that is the sort of post this forum needs more of.
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We all work the way WE want to.
Surely it's the person you are that's most important.
Material things /money etc have their place but contentment never came from those things alone.
Being big headed and arrogant is not the person I aspire to be.
I look up to people who care about others, they are the true heroes.
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Lee
What makes you think you are the biggest in the south?
By turnover?
By vans on the road?
Or by profit
Because nobody else would be foolish enough to try and build a large window cleaning business in the south, Lee's guys average £70k a year, he pays them £30k plus costs holiday pay and so on, lets say £40k, that leaves him around £300k for 2 office staff an office manager, 10 vans and all the other equipment, premises and marketing the list goes on, theres a reason why theres no Amazon or Virgin window cleaning.
Believe me if there was real money in this he wouldnt be broadcasting it to all on here.
Oh this is just pure gold! Actually made my day.
How on earth do you get to 40k per staff member? haha. One of the 2 girls is the manager so not 2 plus manager. I own 4 of our 10 vans outright and the list of where your wrong goes on and on.
So in your last sentence your saying there is no money in window cleaning. Jesus we all better find another job then!
Your totally right theres no money left for me, im skint ha!! My mrs and I will be poolside in dubai (again) in 3 weeks(4k for the week). While im there with a g&t in my hand at the swim up bar, still being paid and everything running fine without me, I will try to work out where it all went wrong. Dont worry I will let you know when the answer comes to me. In the mean time ive decided to not work today, (just because I can) instead I will jump in my brand new 75k m4 cabrio and drive into town where I will drop off my 7k breitling navitimer to get serviced before we go away. Then im off to purchase a new video camera which I plan to use for our new youtube chanel starting next month (watch this space) Oh and as theres no money in window cleaning I better swing by the job centre to sign on while im out! On my way home I might pop into the office just to see if the £4k on the worksheets for today got done and click the button to start all of it being collected by direct debit.
Yep, theres no money in window cleaning past being a 1 man band. I better cancel the 2 brand new vans on order. Thank god you were here to save me from myself before I made a huge mistake. :'(
Growing your business to achieve financial freedom and freedom of personal time = ...........brilliant
1 man band online haters slating a person whos business is fast approaching a million a year=.......... priceless!
Couldn't even address a single point, just more wibble about haters, its time you guys woke up and smelled the BS. (roll eyes)
I didn't say there was no money in window cleaning, the long and short is even with a one million turnover because of your over inflated expenses you will be lucky to be left with £200k, its not to be laughed at but in an area where a one man operator can make £80k its hardly a lot for the effort and money invested.
Wont answer why paying an employee £30k a year will actually be close to £40k when you add employee costs holiday cover and so on, you should already know that. (roll eyes)
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Lee
What makes you think you are the biggest in the south?
By turnover?
By vans on the road?
Or by profit
Because nobody else would be foolish enough to try and build a large window cleaning business in the south, Lee's guys average £70k a year, he pays them £30k plus costs holiday pay and so on, lets say £40k, that leaves him around £300k for 2 office staff an office manager, 10 vans and all the other equipment, premises and marketing the list goes on, theres a reason why theres no Amazon or Virgin window cleaning.
Believe me if there was real money in this he wouldnt be broadcasting it to all on here.
Oh this is just pure gold! Actually made my day.
How on earth do you get to 40k per staff member? haha. One of the 2 girls is the manager so not 2 plus manager. I own 4 of our 10 vans outright and the list of where your wrong goes on and on.
So in your last sentence your saying there is no money in window cleaning. Jesus we all better find another job then!
Your totally right theres no money left for me, im skint ha!! My mrs and I will be poolside in dubai (again) in 3 weeks(4k for the week). While im there with a g&t in my hand at the swim up bar, still being paid and everything running fine without me, I will try to work out where it all went wrong. Dont worry I will let you know when the answer comes to me. In the mean time ive decided to not work today, (just because I can) instead I will jump in my brand new 75k m4 cabrio and drive into town where I will drop off my 7k breitling navitimer to get serviced before we go away. Then im off to purchase a new video camera which I plan to use for our new youtube chanel starting next month (watch this space) Oh and as theres no money in window cleaning I better swing by the job centre to sign on while im out! On my way home I might pop into the office just to see if the £4k on the worksheets for today got done and click the button to start all of it being collected by direct debit.
Yep, theres no money in window cleaning past being a 1 man band. I better cancel the 2 brand new vans on order. Thank god you were here to save me from myself before I made a huge mistake. :'(
Growing your business to achieve financial freedom and freedom of personal time = ...........brilliant
1 man band online haters slating a person whos business is fast approaching a million a year=.......... priceless!
Couldn't even address a single point, just more wibble about haters, its time you guys woke up and smelled the BS. (roll eyes)
I didn't say there was no money in window cleaning, the long and short is even with a one million turnover because of your over inflated expenses you will be lucky to be left with £200k, its not to be laughed at but in an area where a one man operator can make £80k its hardly a lot for the effort and money invested.
Wont answer why paying an employee £30k a year will actually be close to £40k when you add employee costs holiday cover and so on, you should already know that. (roll eyes)
Well that's because it's not true. Holidays will be in the £30k. It's just pensions & NI on top.
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ok so now your saying that earning 200k a year for a job I almost wont need to work for isnt very good? hmmmmmmm interesting.
ok you win. I better pack it in. Oh and in the mean time show me a single 1 man band that EARNS 80k a year. All your speculation about expenses and your 80k one man band doesnt seem to have any then
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Holidays need covered by other employees, usually at a higher overtime rate, the only other option is to skip their work which still has a cost.
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Lee
What makes you think you are the biggest in the south?
By turnover?
By vans on the road?
Or by profit
Because nobody else would be foolish enough to try and build a large window cleaning business in the south, Lee's guys average £70k a year, he pays them £30k plus costs holiday pay and so on, lets say £40k, that leaves him around £300k for 2 office staff an office manager, 10 vans and all the other equipment, premises and marketing the list goes on, theres a reason why theres no Amazon or Virgin window cleaning.
Believe me if there was real money in this he wouldnt be broadcasting it to all on here.
Oh this is just pure gold! Actually made my day.
How on earth do you get to 40k per staff member? haha. One of the 2 girls is the manager so not 2 plus manager. I own 4 of our 10 vans outright and the list of where your wrong goes on and on.
So in your last sentence your saying there is no money in window cleaning. Jesus we all better find another job then!
Your totally right theres no money left for me, im skint ha!! My mrs and I will be poolside in dubai (again) in 3 weeks(4k for the week). While im there with a g&t in my hand at the swim up bar, still being paid and everything running fine without me, I will try to work out where it all went wrong. Dont worry I will let you know when the answer comes to me. In the mean time ive decided to not work today, (just because I can) instead I will jump in my brand new 75k m4 cabrio and drive into town where I will drop off my 7k breitling navitimer to get serviced before we go away. Then im off to purchase a new video camera which I plan to use for our new youtube chanel starting next month (watch this space) Oh and as theres no money in window cleaning I better swing by the job centre to sign on while im out! On my way home I might pop into the office just to see if the £4k on the worksheets for today got done and click the button to start all of it being collected by direct debit.
Yep, theres no money in window cleaning past being a 1 man band. I better cancel the 2 brand new vans on order. Thank god you were here to save me from myself before I made a huge mistake. :'(
Growing your business to achieve financial freedom and freedom of personal time = ...........brilliant
1 man band online haters slating a person whos business is fast approaching a million a year=.......... priceless!
Couldn't even address a single point, just more wibble about haters, its time you guys woke up and smelled the BS. (roll eyes)
I didn't say there was no money in window cleaning, the long and short is even with a one million turnover because of your over inflated expenses you will be lucky to be left with £200k, its not to be laughed at but in an area where a one man operator can make £80k its hardly a lot for the effort and money invested.
Wont answer why paying an employee £30k a year will actually be close to £40k when you add employee costs holiday cover and so on, you should already know that. (roll eyes)
Well that's because it's not true. Holidays will be in the £30k. It's just pensions & NI on top.
Boom and there it is!
Dry clean you know why 8 weekly was able to spot this? Because he has experience that you dont. As in running a bigger business thats going to the next level. So on that 1 point alone we just found about another 70k in my business model over the year.
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ok so now your saying that earning 200k a year for a job I almost wont need to work for isnt very good? hmmmmmmm interesting.
ok you win. I better pack it in. Oh and in the mean time show me a single 1 man band that EARNS 80k a year. All your speculation about expenses and your 80k one man band doesnt seem to have any then
So selling your home and all the years invested to get to where you are now dont count ? once again I will say £200k a year isnt to be laughed at but its not a lot of return for the effort, time and money you have invested, remember you work in areas where a guy on his own could spend under £10k head out door knocking and within a year or so be earning £80k.
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Lee
What makes you think you are the biggest in the south?
By turnover?
By vans on the road?
Or by profit
Because nobody else would be foolish enough to try and build a large window cleaning business in the south, Lee's guys average £70k a year, he pays them £30k plus costs holiday pay and so on, lets say £40k, that leaves him around £300k for 2 office staff an office manager, 10 vans and all the other equipment, premises and marketing the list goes on, theres a reason why theres no Amazon or Virgin window cleaning.
Believe me if there was real money in this he wouldnt be broadcasting it to all on here.
Oh this is just pure gold! Actually made my day.
How on earth do you get to 40k per staff member? haha. One of the 2 girls is the manager so not 2 plus manager. I own 4 of our 10 vans outright and the list of where your wrong goes on and on.
So in your last sentence your saying there is no money in window cleaning. Jesus we all better find another job then!
Your totally right theres no money left for me, im skint ha!! My mrs and I will be poolside in dubai (again) in 3 weeks(4k for the week). While im there with a g&t in my hand at the swim up bar, still being paid and everything running fine without me, I will try to work out where it all went wrong. Dont worry I will let you know when the answer comes to me. In the mean time ive decided to not work today, (just because I can) instead I will jump in my brand new 75k m4 cabrio and drive into town where I will drop off my 7k breitling navitimer to get serviced before we go away. Then im off to purchase a new video camera which I plan to use for our new youtube chanel starting next month (watch this space) Oh and as theres no money in window cleaning I better swing by the job centre to sign on while im out! On my way home I might pop into the office just to see if the £4k on the worksheets for today got done and click the button to start all of it being collected by direct debit.
Yep, theres no money in window cleaning past being a 1 man band. I better cancel the 2 brand new vans on order. Thank god you were here to save me from myself before I made a huge mistake. :'(
Growing your business to achieve financial freedom and freedom of personal time = ...........brilliant
1 man band online haters slating a person whos business is fast approaching a million a year=.......... priceless!
Couldn't even address a single point, just more wibble about haters, its time you guys woke up and smelled the BS. (roll eyes)
I didn't say there was no money in window cleaning, the long and short is even with a one million turnover because of your over inflated expenses you will be lucky to be left with £200k, its not to be laughed at but in an area where a one man operator can make £80k its hardly a lot for the effort and money invested.
Wont answer why paying an employee £30k a year will actually be close to £40k when you add employee costs holiday cover and so on, you should already know that. (roll eyes)
Well that's because it's not true. Holidays will be in the £30k. It's just pensions & NI on top.
Boom and there it is!
Dry clean you know why 8 weekly was able to spot this? Because he has experience that you dont. As in running a bigger business thats going to the next level. So on that 1 point alone we just found about another 70k in my business model over the year.
LOL, as Iv already explained you have 10 employees with 30 days holidays each, these days still need to be covered by overtime from your other workers at an extra cost, Boom there it is (roll eyes)
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Lee
What makes you think you are the biggest in the south?
By turnover?
By vans on the road?
Or by profit
Because nobody else would be foolish enough to try and build a large window cleaning business in the south, Lee's guys average £70k a year, he pays them £30k plus costs holiday pay and so on, lets say £40k, that leaves him around £300k for 2 office staff an office manager, 10 vans and all the other equipment, premises and marketing the list goes on, theres a reason why theres no Amazon or Virgin window cleaning.
Believe me if there was real money in this he wouldnt be broadcasting it to all on here.
Oh this is just pure gold! Actually made my day.
How on earth do you get to 40k per staff member? haha. One of the 2 girls is the manager so not 2 plus manager. I own 4 of our 10 vans outright and the list of where your wrong goes on and on.
So in your last sentence your saying there is no money in window cleaning. Jesus we all better find another job then!
Your totally right theres no money left for me, im skint ha!! My mrs and I will be poolside in dubai (again) in 3 weeks(4k for the week). While im there with a g&t in my hand at the swim up bar, still being paid and everything running fine without me, I will try to work out where it all went wrong. Dont worry I will let you know when the answer comes to me. In the mean time ive decided to not work today, (just because I can) instead I will jump in my brand new 75k m4 cabrio and drive into town where I will drop off my 7k breitling navitimer to get serviced before we go away. Then im off to purchase a new video camera which I plan to use for our new youtube chanel starting next month (watch this space) Oh and as theres no money in window cleaning I better swing by the job centre to sign on while im out! On my way home I might pop into the office just to see if the £4k on the worksheets for today got done and click the button to start all of it being collected by direct debit.
Yep, theres no money in window cleaning past being a 1 man band. I better cancel the 2 brand new vans on order. Thank god you were here to save me from myself before I made a huge mistake. :'(
Growing your business to achieve financial freedom and freedom of personal time = ...........brilliant
1 man band online haters slating a person whos business is fast approaching a million a year=.......... priceless!
Couldn't even address a single point, just more wibble about haters, its time you guys woke up and smelled the BS. (roll eyes)
I didn't say there was no money in window cleaning, the long and short is even with a one million turnover because of your over inflated expenses you will be lucky to be left with £200k, its not to be laughed at but in an area where a one man operator can make £80k its hardly a lot for the effort and money invested.
Wont answer why paying an employee £30k a year will actually be close to £40k when you add employee costs holiday cover and so on, you should already know that. (roll eyes)
Well that's because it's not true. Holidays will be in the £30k. It's just pensions & NI on top.
Boom and there it is!
Dry clean you know why 8 weekly was able to spot this? Because he has experience that you dont. As in running a bigger business thats going to the next level. So on that 1 point alone we just found about another 70k in my business model over the year.
LOL, as Iv already explained you have 10 employees with 30 days holidays each, these days still need to be covered by overtime from your other workers at an extra cost, Boom there it is (roll eyes)
I don't know how Lee does it, but I calculate on 46 weeks and don't pay overtime to catch up.
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Lee
What makes you think you are the biggest in the south?
By turnover?
By vans on the road?
Or by profit
Because nobody else would be foolish enough to try and build a large window cleaning business in the south, Lee's guys average £70k a year, he pays them £30k plus costs holiday pay and so on, lets say £40k, that leaves him around £300k for 2 office staff an office manager, 10 vans and all the other equipment, premises and marketing the list goes on, theres a reason why theres no Amazon or Virgin window cleaning.
Believe me if there was real money in this he wouldnt be broadcasting it to all on here.
Oh this is just pure gold! Actually made my day.
How on earth do you get to 40k per staff member? haha. One of the 2 girls is the manager so not 2 plus manager. I own 4 of our 10 vans outright and the list of where your wrong goes on and on.
So in your last sentence your saying there is no money in window cleaning. Jesus we all better find another job then!
Your totally right theres no money left for me, im skint ha!! My mrs and I will be poolside in dubai (again) in 3 weeks(4k for the week). While im there with a g&t in my hand at the swim up bar, still being paid and everything running fine without me, I will try to work out where it all went wrong. Dont worry I will let you know when the answer comes to me. In the mean time ive decided to not work today, (just because I can) instead I will jump in my brand new 75k m4 cabrio and drive into town where I will drop off my 7k breitling navitimer to get serviced before we go away. Then im off to purchase a new video camera which I plan to use for our new youtube chanel starting next month (watch this space) Oh and as theres no money in window cleaning I better swing by the job centre to sign on while im out! On my way home I might pop into the office just to see if the £4k on the worksheets for today got done and click the button to start all of it being collected by direct debit.
Yep, theres no money in window cleaning past being a 1 man band. I better cancel the 2 brand new vans on order. Thank god you were here to save me from myself before I made a huge mistake. :'(
Growing your business to achieve financial freedom and freedom of personal time = ...........brilliant
1 man band online haters slating a person whos business is fast approaching a million a year=.......... priceless!
Couldn't even address a single point, just more wibble about haters, its time you guys woke up and smelled the BS. (roll eyes)
I didn't say there was no money in window cleaning, the long and short is even with a one million turnover because of your over inflated expenses you will be lucky to be left with £200k, its not to be laughed at but in an area where a one man operator can make £80k its hardly a lot for the effort and money invested.
Wont answer why paying an employee £30k a year will actually be close to £40k when you add employee costs holiday cover and so on, you should already know that. (roll eyes)
Well that's because it's not true. Holidays will be in the £30k. It's just pensions & NI on top.
Boom and there it is!
Dry clean you know why 8 weekly was able to spot this? Because he has experience that you dont. As in running a bigger business thats going to the next level. So on that 1 point alone we just found about another 70k in my business model over the year.
LOL, as Iv already explained you have 10 employees with 30 days holidays each, these days still need to be covered by overtime from your other workers at an extra cost, Boom there it is (roll eyes)
I don't know how Lee does it, but I calculate on 46 weeks and don't pay overtime to catch up.
So your employee gets 6 weeks holidays and is expected to catch up on those 6 weeks without any extra pay, where do you get these idiots from.
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Lee
What makes you think you are the biggest in the south?
By turnover?
By vans on the road?
Or by profit
Because nobody else would be foolish enough to try and build a large window cleaning business in the south, Lee's guys average £70k a year, he pays them £30k plus costs holiday pay and so on, lets say £40k, that leaves him around £300k for 2 office staff an office manager, 10 vans and all the other equipment, premises and marketing the list goes on, theres a reason why theres no Amazon or Virgin window cleaning.
Believe me if there was real money in this he wouldnt be broadcasting it to all on here.
Oh this is just pure gold! Actually made my day.
How on earth do you get to 40k per staff member? haha. One of the 2 girls is the manager so not 2 plus manager. I own 4 of our 10 vans outright and the list of where your wrong goes on and on.
So in your last sentence your saying there is no money in window cleaning. Jesus we all better find another job then!
Your totally right theres no money left for me, im skint ha!! My mrs and I will be poolside in dubai (again) in 3 weeks(4k for the week). While im there with a g&t in my hand at the swim up bar, still being paid and everything running fine without me, I will try to work out where it all went wrong. Dont worry I will let you know when the answer comes to me. In the mean time ive decided to not work today, (just because I can) instead I will jump in my brand new 75k m4 cabrio and drive into town where I will drop off my 7k breitling navitimer to get serviced before we go away. Then im off to purchase a new video camera which I plan to use for our new youtube chanel starting next month (watch this space) Oh and as theres no money in window cleaning I better swing by the job centre to sign on while im out! On my way home I might pop into the office just to see if the £4k on the worksheets for today got done and click the button to start all of it being collected by direct debit.
Yep, theres no money in window cleaning past being a 1 man band. I better cancel the 2 brand new vans on order. Thank god you were here to save me from myself before I made a huge mistake. :'(
Growing your business to achieve financial freedom and freedom of personal time = ...........brilliant
1 man band online haters slating a person whos business is fast approaching a million a year=.......... priceless!
Couldn't even address a single point, just more wibble about haters, its time you guys woke up and smelled the BS. (roll eyes)
I didn't say there was no money in window cleaning, the long and short is even with a one million turnover because of your over inflated expenses you will be lucky to be left with £200k, its not to be laughed at but in an area where a one man operator can make £80k its hardly a lot for the effort and money invested.
Wont answer why paying an employee £30k a year will actually be close to £40k when you add employee costs holiday cover and so on, you should already know that. (roll eyes)
Well that's because it's not true. Holidays will be in the £30k. It's just pensions & NI on top.
Boom and there it is!
Dry clean you know why 8 weekly was able to spot this? Because he has experience that you dont. As in running a bigger business thats going to the next level. So on that 1 point alone we just found about another 70k in my business model over the year.
LOL, as Iv already explained you have 10 employees with 30 days holidays each, these days still need to be covered by overtime from your other workers at an extra cost, Boom there it is (roll eyes)
I don't know how Lee does it, but I calculate on 46 weeks and don't pay overtime to catch up.
So your employee gets 6 weeks holidays and is expected to catch up on those 6 weeks without any extra pay, where do you get these idiots from.
If it's calculated on 46 weeks, where are you getting 6 weeks to catch up from? 52-6 = 46. Stick to trolling Vision posts. ;)
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show me a single 1 man band that EARNS 80k a year. All your speculation about expenses and your 80k one man band doesnt seem to have any then
Agreed
I only earn 15k a year, and the missus too so 30k a year is what we extract from our business, imo any more than that and its just not worth it with the tax you start to pay on wages.
Now I am forecast for a turnover of 55k of actual money through the business March 2019, that's real turnover..not what my customer list says. I do on average 10-14 jobs per day, and work for the most part 4 days a week (could condense to 3 and a half, but no thanks I'm not killing myself again) if I was working 5 days a week, and killing it I would easily turn over 80k a year, but that's not earnings...the amount of tax on that would make you cry.
For the self employed people saying they earn ( take home) 50k or 60k a year, your tax bills must be astronomical as sole traders, and the payments on account would cripple you, but I bet if we were to see your personal tax returns it would show a much more conservative figure. Interesting that isn't it. ::)roll
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Lee
What makes you think you are the biggest in the south?
By turnover?
By vans on the road?
Or by profit
Because nobody else would be foolish enough to try and build a large window cleaning business in the south, Lee's guys average £70k a year, he pays them £30k plus costs holiday pay and so on, lets say £40k, that leaves him around £300k for 2 office staff an office manager, 10 vans and all the other equipment, premises and marketing the list goes on, theres a reason why theres no Amazon or Virgin window cleaning.
Believe me if there was real money in this he wouldnt be broadcasting it to all on here.
Oh this is just pure gold! Actually made my day.
How on earth do you get to 40k per staff member? haha. One of the 2 girls is the manager so not 2 plus manager. I own 4 of our 10 vans outright and the list of where your wrong goes on and on.
So in your last sentence your saying there is no money in window cleaning. Jesus we all better find another job then!
Your totally right theres no money left for me, im skint ha!! My mrs and I will be poolside in dubai (again) in 3 weeks(4k for the week). While im there with a g&t in my hand at the swim up bar, still being paid and everything running fine without me, I will try to work out where it all went wrong. Dont worry I will let you know when the answer comes to me. In the mean time ive decided to not work today, (just because I can) instead I will jump in my brand new 75k m4 cabrio and drive into town where I will drop off my 7k breitling navitimer to get serviced before we go away. Then im off to purchase a new video camera which I plan to use for our new youtube chanel starting next month (watch this space) Oh and as theres no money in window cleaning I better swing by the job centre to sign on while im out! On my way home I might pop into the office just to see if the £4k on the worksheets for today got done and click the button to start all of it being collected by direct debit.
Yep, theres no money in window cleaning past being a 1 man band. I better cancel the 2 brand new vans on order. Thank god you were here to save me from myself before I made a huge mistake. :'(
Growing your business to achieve financial freedom and freedom of personal time = ...........brilliant
1 man band online haters slating a person whos business is fast approaching a million a year=.......... priceless!
Couldn't even address a single point, just more wibble about haters, its time you guys woke up and smelled the BS. (roll eyes)
I didn't say there was no money in window cleaning, the long and short is even with a one million turnover because of your over inflated expenses you will be lucky to be left with £200k, its not to be laughed at but in an area where a one man operator can make £80k its hardly a lot for the effort and money invested.
Wont answer why paying an employee £30k a year will actually be close to £40k when you add employee costs holiday cover and so on, you should already know that. (roll eyes)
Well that's because it's not true. Holidays will be in the £30k. It's just pensions & NI on top.
Boom and there it is!
Dry clean you know why 8 weekly was able to spot this? Because he has experience that you dont. As in running a bigger business thats going to the next level. So on that 1 point alone we just found about another 70k in my business model over the year.
LOL, as Iv already explained you have 10 employees with 30 days holidays each, these days still need to be covered by overtime from your other workers at an extra cost, Boom there it is (roll eyes)
I don't know how Lee does it, but I calculate on 46 weeks and don't pay overtime to catch up.
So your employee gets 6 weeks holidays and is expected to catch up on those 6 weeks without any extra pay, where do you get these idiots from.
If it's calculated on 46 weeks, where are you getting 6 weeks to catch up from? 52-6 = 46. Stick to trolling Vision posts. ;)
Wow that is just beyond stupid, heres how business people do things, your employee will have 6 weeks paid holidays which means 6 weeks of that employees work that still needs to be done, if you skip this work it has a cost, if you get other employees to cover it will be extra work for them which also has a cost, its not hard.
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Lee
What makes you think you are the biggest in the south?
By turnover?
By vans on the road?
Or by profit
Because nobody else would be foolish enough to try and build a large window cleaning business in the south, Lee's guys average £70k a year, he pays them £30k plus costs holiday pay and so on, lets say £40k, that leaves him around £300k for 2 office staff an office manager, 10 vans and all the other equipment, premises and marketing the list goes on, theres a reason why theres no Amazon or Virgin window cleaning.
Believe me if there was real money in this he wouldnt be broadcasting it to all on here.
Oh this is just pure gold! Actually made my day.
How on earth do you get to 40k per staff member? haha. One of the 2 girls is the manager so not 2 plus manager. I own 4 of our 10 vans outright and the list of where your wrong goes on and on.
So in your last sentence your saying there is no money in window cleaning. Jesus we all better find another job then!
Your totally right theres no money left for me, im skint ha!! My mrs and I will be poolside in dubai (again) in 3 weeks(4k for the week). While im there with a g&t in my hand at the swim up bar, still being paid and everything running fine without me, I will try to work out where it all went wrong. Dont worry I will let you know when the answer comes to me. In the mean time ive decided to not work today, (just because I can) instead I will jump in my brand new 75k m4 cabrio and drive into town where I will drop off my 7k breitling navitimer to get serviced before we go away. Then im off to purchase a new video camera which I plan to use for our new youtube chanel starting next month (watch this space) Oh and as theres no money in window cleaning I better swing by the job centre to sign on while im out! On my way home I might pop into the office just to see if the £4k on the worksheets for today got done and click the button to start all of it being collected by direct debit.
Yep, theres no money in window cleaning past being a 1 man band. I better cancel the 2 brand new vans on order. Thank god you were here to save me from myself before I made a huge mistake. :'(
Growing your business to achieve financial freedom and freedom of personal time = ...........brilliant
1 man band online haters slating a person whos business is fast approaching a million a year=.......... priceless!
Couldn't even address a single point, just more wibble about haters, its time you guys woke up and smelled the BS. (roll eyes)
I didn't say there was no money in window cleaning, the long and short is even with a one million turnover because of your over inflated expenses you will be lucky to be left with £200k, its not to be laughed at but in an area where a one man operator can make £80k its hardly a lot for the effort and money invested.
Wont answer why paying an employee £30k a year will actually be close to £40k when you add employee costs holiday cover and so on, you should already know that. (roll eyes)
Well that's because it's not true. Holidays will be in the £30k. It's just pensions & NI on top.
Boom and there it is!
Dry clean you know why 8 weekly was able to spot this? Because he has experience that you dont. As in running a bigger business thats going to the next level. So on that 1 point alone we just found about another 70k in my business model over the year.
LOL, as Iv already explained you have 10 employees with 30 days holidays each, these days still need to be covered by overtime from your other workers at an extra cost, Boom there it is (roll eyes)
I don't know how Lee does it, but I calculate on 46 weeks and don't pay overtime to catch up.
So your employee gets 6 weeks holidays and is expected to catch up on those 6 weeks without any extra pay, where do you get these idiots from.
If it's calculated on 46 weeks, where are you getting 6 weeks to catch up from? 52-6 = 46. Stick to trolling Vision posts. ;)
Wow that is just beyond stupid, heres how business people do things, your employee will have 6 weeks paid holidays which means 6 weeks of that employees work that still needs to be done, if you skip this work it has a cost, if you get other employees to cover it will be extra work for them which also has a cost, its not hard.
There isn't 6 weeks to catch up. I consider him "full" at 46 x his weekly turnover and all my calculations are based on that. There's nothing to catch up and no work to skip. ;)
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Just 1 last thing to add
I never said it was 200k
Look when its all said and done I earn just fine thanks. If we didnt make any money I wouldnt be buying 2 more vans with the plan for 3 more on top of that next year. As for selling my house being worth it or not I think it was and Im the only one with all the facts about why, you can speculate all you like.
Im out of this thread now but keep the eyes peeled next month for the start of my youtube chanel where I will be upsetting the masses in person! haha!
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How can there be no work to skip, if Mrs x is due in 8 weeks and your employee is off on holiday who cleans Mrs x property ?
If I take a holiday I will either skip the work or do it either the week before or after the holiday (extra time), I would be a total mug to do this for nothing as an employee with holiday entitlement.
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How can there be no work to skip, if Mrs x is due in 8 weeks and your employee is off on holiday who cleans Mrs x property ?
If I take a holiday I will either skip the work or do it either the week before or after the holiday (extra time), I would be a total mug to do this for nothing as an employee with holiday entitlement.
Another employee. No one has a fixed round - the work is allocated on a daily basis. No one puts in a double shift. We're usually a little behind anyway - especially in the summer. Don't worry about us. We're fine. ;D
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How can there be no work to skip, if Mrs x is due in 8 weeks and your employee is off on holiday who cleans Mrs x property ?
If I take a holiday I will either skip the work or do it either the week before or after the holiday (extra time), I would be a total mug to do this for nothing as an employee with holiday entitlement.
Another employee. No one has a fixed round - the work is allocated on a daily basis. No one puts in a double shift. We're usually a little behind anyway - especially in the summer. Don't worry about us. We're fine. ;D
Touched a raw nerve, as per usual with you guys nothing adds up.
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Lee
What makes you think you are the biggest in the south?
By turnover?
By vans on the road?
Or by profit
Because nobody else would be foolish enough to try and build a large window cleaning business in the south, Lee's guys average £70k a year, he pays them £30k plus costs holiday pay and so on, lets say £40k, that leaves him around £300k for 2 office staff an office manager, 10 vans and all the other equipment, premises and marketing the list goes on, theres a reason why theres no Amazon or Virgin window cleaning.
Believe me if there was real money in this he wouldnt be broadcasting it to all on here.
Oh this is just pure gold! Actually made my day.
How on earth do you get to 40k per staff member? haha. One of the 2 girls is the manager so not 2 plus manager. I own 4 of our 10 vans outright and the list of where your wrong goes on and on.
So in your last sentence your saying there is no money in window cleaning. Jesus we all better find another job then!
Your totally right theres no money left for me, im skint ha!! My mrs and I will be poolside in dubai (again) in 3 weeks(4k for the week). While im there with a g&t in my hand at the swim up bar, still being paid and everything running fine without me, I will try to work out where it all went wrong. Dont worry I will let you know when the answer comes to me. In the mean time ive decided to not work today, (just because I can) instead I will jump in my brand new 75k m4 cabrio and drive into town where I will drop off my 7k breitling navitimer to get serviced before we go away. Then im off to purchase a new video camera which I plan to use for our new youtube chanel starting next month (watch this space) Oh and as theres no money in window cleaning I better swing by the job centre to sign on while im out! On my way home I might pop into the office just to see if the £4k on the worksheets for today got done and click the button to start all of it being collected by direct debit.
Yep, theres no money in window cleaning past being a 1 man band. I better cancel the 2 brand new vans on order. Thank god you were here to save me from myself before I made a huge mistake. :'(
Growing your business to achieve financial freedom and freedom of personal time = ...........brilliant
1 man band online haters slating a person whos business is fast approaching a million a year=.......... priceless!
If this is what money does to you, no thanks, I’d rather be skint!
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ok im back in, sorry couldnt resist.
"nothing adds up"
Well then how do we live, how do we continue to grow? Whos paying for the holidays and nice cars and so on? Where's that money coming from? Thin air?
Could spend all day here going through it and you still just wont get it.
Lets remind everyone of a clear fact. I have been the one man band, I started trad from nothing, I have been at every stage from there to here. You have not. So when you with no experience at all of anything past the point you are at right now, come on here saying it doesn't add up, you have literally no idea of what you are talking about.
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How can there be no work to skip, if Mrs x is due in 8 weeks and your employee is off on holiday who cleans Mrs x property ?
If I take a holiday I will either skip the work or do it either the week before or after the holiday (extra time), I would be a total mug to do this for nothing as an employee with holiday entitlement.
Another employee. No one has a fixed round - the work is allocated on a daily basis. No one puts in a double shift. We're usually a little behind anyway - especially in the summer. Don't worry about us. We're fine. ;D
Touched a raw nerve, as per usual with you guys nothing adds up.
Ok Sean. ???
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ok im back in, sorry couldnt resist.
"nothing adds up"
Well then how do we live, how do we continue to grow? Whos paying for the holidays and nice cars and so on? Where's that money coming from? Thin air?
Could spend all day here going through it and you still just wont get it.
Lets remind everyone of a clear fact. I have been the one man band, I started trad from nothing, I have been at every stage from there to here. You have not. So when you with no experience at all of anything past the point you are at right now, come on here saying it doesn't add up, you have literally no idea of what you are talking about.
He's just Sean being Sean. ;D
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Lee
What makes you think you are the biggest in the south?
By turnover?
By vans on the road?
Or by profit
Because nobody else would be foolish enough to try and build a large window cleaning business in the south, Lee's guys average £70k a year, he pays them £30k plus costs holiday pay and so on, lets say £40k, that leaves him around £300k for 2 office staff an office manager, 10 vans and all the other equipment, premises and marketing the list goes on, theres a reason why theres no Amazon or Virgin window cleaning.
Believe me if there was real money in this he wouldnt be broadcasting it to all on here.
Oh this is just pure gold! Actually made my day.
How on earth do you get to 40k per staff member? haha. One of the 2 girls is the manager so not 2 plus manager. I own 4 of our 10 vans outright and the list of where your wrong goes on and on.
So in your last sentence your saying there is no money in window cleaning. Jesus we all better find another job then!
Your totally right theres no money left for me, im skint ha!! My mrs and I will be poolside in dubai (again) in 3 weeks(4k for the week). While im there with a g&t in my hand at the swim up bar, still being paid and everything running fine without me, I will try to work out where it all went wrong. Dont worry I will let you know when the answer comes to me. In the mean time ive decided to not work today, (just because I can) instead I will jump in my brand new 75k m4 cabrio and drive into town where I will drop off my 7k breitling navitimer to get serviced before we go away. Then im off to purchase a new video camera which I plan to use for our new youtube chanel starting next month (watch this space) Oh and as theres no money in window cleaning I better swing by the job centre to sign on while im out! On my way home I might pop into the office just to see if the £4k on the worksheets for today got done and click the button to start all of it being collected by direct debit.
Yep, theres no money in window cleaning past being a 1 man band. I better cancel the 2 brand new vans on order. Thank god you were here to save me from myself before I made a huge mistake. :'(
Growing your business to achieve financial freedom and freedom of personal time = ...........brilliant
1 man band online haters slating a person whos business is fast approaching a million a year=.......... priceless!
If this is what money does to you, no thanks, I’d rather be skint!
Try to see the fact im having a laugh mate. Of course if you want to be skint then good for you, enjoy that.
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Lee
What makes you think you are the biggest in the south?
By turnover?
By vans on the road?
Or by profit
Because nobody else would be foolish enough to try and build a large window cleaning business in the south, Lee's guys average £70k a year, he pays them £30k plus costs holiday pay and so on, lets say £40k, that leaves him around £300k for 2 office staff an office manager, 10 vans and all the other equipment, premises and marketing the list goes on, theres a reason why theres no Amazon or Virgin window cleaning.
Believe me if there was real money in this he wouldnt be broadcasting it to all on here.
Oh this is just pure gold! Actually made my day.
How on earth do you get to 40k per staff member? haha. One of the 2 girls is the manager so not 2 plus manager. I own 4 of our 10 vans outright and the list of where your wrong goes on and on.
So in your last sentence your saying there is no money in window cleaning. Jesus we all better find another job then!
Your totally right theres no money left for me, im skint ha!! My mrs and I will be poolside in dubai (again) in 3 weeks(4k for the week). While im there with a g&t in my hand at the swim up bar, still being paid and everything running fine without me, I will try to work out where it all went wrong. Dont worry I will let you know when the answer comes to me. In the mean time ive decided to not work today, (just because I can) instead I will jump in my brand new 75k m4 cabrio and drive into town where I will drop off my 7k breitling navitimer to get serviced before we go away. Then im off to purchase a new video camera which I plan to use for our new youtube chanel starting next month (watch this space) Oh and as theres no money in window cleaning I better swing by the job centre to sign on while im out! On my way home I might pop into the office just to see if the £4k on the worksheets for today got done and click the button to start all of it being collected by direct debit.
Yep, theres no money in window cleaning past being a 1 man band. I better cancel the 2 brand new vans on order. Thank god you were here to save me from myself before I made a huge mistake. :'(
Growing your business to achieve financial freedom and freedom of personal time = ...........brilliant
1 man band online haters slating a person whos business is fast approaching a million a year=.......... priceless!
If this is what money does to you, no thanks, I’d rather be skint!
Try to see the fact im having a laugh mate. Of course if you want to be skint then good for you, enjoy that.
NO one wants me to be skint,
Just not rich and big headed
Arrogance is not a positive attribute 😱
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Your wrong mate, you have to be a bit arrogant/confident/mad to push forward to higher levels. Those traits can be good things. Lets also not forget you don't know me, have never met me, and your only experience of me is on this forum. Perhaps Im a certain way in business and totally different in my personal life. You don't know do you., because you don't know me. I do what I have to do in order to get the job done and reach the goals I aspire to. If along the way faceless strangers and haters think im arrogant then good, Im glad you do.
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This is a great thread......reminds me of the old days on here..
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This is a great thread......reminds me of the old days on here..
I know, its on fire!
Have to say for once im loving it
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Hi Lee
i have said this before, but i think your mad for giving away all this free information....
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg1o1fO8uug
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Your wrong mate, you have to be a bit arrogant/confident/mad to push forward to higher levels. Those traits can be good things. Lets also not forget you don't know me, have never met me, and your only experience of me is on this forum. Perhaps Im a certain way in business and totally different in my personal life. You don't know do you., because you don't know me. I do what I have to do in order to get the job done and reach the goals I aspire to. If along the way faceless strangers and haters think im arrogant then good, Im glad you do.
I honestly can’t fathom why you bother to post on here.
You certainly seemed to have achieved a level of success most of us envy, but not necessarily want to work so hard for or want to risk everything you did to emulate
You’ve spent time today replying to comments, to fight you corner, why?
If I’m charitable, you post your success stories to encourage others but then if anybody challenges or takes the micky you become argumentative. That’s fine, it’s your right. To me it just makes you the same as the one man band as your more prepared to try and mix it rather than rise above.
Your business profile
I once wrote that you had made a stupid comment on a thread you had commented on. Immediately you took it as I had called you stupid and changed your plans with a day or two to go, to attend the show where I could say it to your face.
See what I mean?
Your YouTube channel will serve you well, those who enjoy your success will follow, comment and encourage. The haters, fiss takers and everyone will either take no notice or you can ban them!
Written in spirit please note I haven’t called you fat or stupid. You stupid fattie. 😁
Tony
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Hang on I’m just gonna quite an A4 page every time I reply,good god.
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Bungle its no secret we don't get on. But credit where credit is due. That really made me laugh out loud!
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I’ve also thought about the point of the return that you get Lee on you’re investment and time spent building,I know that as you say the business should run itself but everyone knows that no business runs itself.
Would you not be better off or could you not be just as well off if you scaled down to half the size you are now,20% after what you’ve done in a labour mainly intense sector with turning over 1 million pounds doesn’t sound a lot,the other side of my family have a massive business I’m not prepared to say what it is but it covers the south east,she has hundreds of employees but with 10 she turns over far more than a million pounds a year.
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Your wrong mate, you have to be a bit arrogant/confident/mad to push forward to higher levels. Those traits can be good things. Lets also not forget you don't know me, have never met me, and your only experience of me is on this forum. Perhaps Im a certain way in business and totally different in my personal life. You don't know do you., because you don't know me. I do what I have to do in order to get the job done and reach the goals I aspire to. If along the way faceless strangers and haters think im arrogant then good, Im glad you do.
I honestly can’t fathom why you bother to post on here.
You certainly seemed to have achieved a level of success most of us envy, but not necessarily want to work so hard for or want to risk everything you did to emulate
You’ve spent time today replying to comments, to fight you corner, why?
If I’m charitable, you post your success stories to encourage others but then if anybody challenges or takes the micky you become argumentative. That’s fine, it’s your right. To me it just makes you the same as the one man band as your more prepared to try and mix it rather than rise above.
Your business profile
I once wrote that you had made a stupid comment on a thread you had commented on. Immediately you took it as I had called you stupid and changed your plans with a day or two to go, to attend the show where I could say it to your face.
See what I mean?
Your YouTube channel will serve you well, those who enjoy your success will follow, comment and encourage. The haters, fiss takers and everyone will either take no notice or you can ban them!
Written in spirit please note I haven’t called you fat or stupid. You stupid fattie. 😁
Tony
Actually Tony I was disappointed to not meet you at the show. I would have enjoyed chatting with you over a beer there. I think most people here would be surprised about what im really like in person.
My youtube channel will be aimed at people in our industry who are either a 1 man band who want to aspire to more or for companies that already have maybe 2/3 vans on the road and are finding it hard to get beyond that. The goal of the channel will be to inspire others, share my experiences and also help me connect with like minded people. A bit like on here there are youtube channels with window cleaners already but they are mostly one man bands and don't have the experience I do. My videos will not be about how to clean a window or the latest brush. I will assume people watching already have moved past that point and I will be dealing with the bigger issues of running a business rather than being a window cleaner.
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I’ve also thought about the point of the return that you get Lee on you’re investment and time spent building,I know that as you say the business should run itself but everyone knows that no business runs itself.
Would you not be better off or could you not be just as well off if you scaled down to half the size you are now,20% after what you’ve done in a labour mainly intense sector with turning over 1 million pounds doesn’t sound a lot,the other side of my family have a massive business I’m not prepared to say what it is but it covers the south east,she has hundreds of employees but with 10 she turns over far more than a million pounds a year.
My return on investment is as I want it to be.
I will not be moving in a backwards direction, ever.
Fair play to them, every business is different and I am not at the goal I want to achieve yet. I too have friends with much bigger and better businesses than mine. Im happy where I am right now.
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Your wrong mate, you have to be a bit arrogant/confident/mad to push forward to higher levels. Those traits can be good things
Confidence and arrogance are two different things.
One is good the other I find repulsive.
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On a forum, if you are feeling negative, and read something someone wrote the whole context can be completely mis construde.
Arrogance or the perception of it is irrelivent if you want to grow your business. Lee isn't trying to win a populartiy contest, he is showing us how we can improve our businesses, and communicating that, that's all, if you find it arrogant, so what..either try to learn from some of the things he has done or carry on as you are, he doesn't care and neither do we if you wanna be a cry baby...boo hoo.
I have met lee, he is an easy to chat with, down to earth bloke.
I'm looking forward to the channel lee, it's refreshing to see someone who is business focused, not soneone who is consumer led with buying the best brush, or thinnest hose.
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On a forum, if you are feeling negative,
How is trying to be a decent person who cares about others rather than being an arrogant individual who sounds so focused on his business that I would hate to be part of his family, negative???
I would have thought it was the opposite.
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Most of us, me included, come on here to learn and if possible pass on a few good tips.
There are ways of saying things without belittling others people's way of living with comments about sipping g and t's in Dubai.
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On a forum, if you are feeling negative, and read something someone wrote the whole context can be completely mis construde.
Arrogance or the perception of it is irrelivent if you want to grow your business. Lee isn't trying to win a populartiy contest, he is showing us how we can improve our businesses, and communicating that, that's all, if you find it arrogant, so what..either try to learn from some of the things he has done or carry on as you are, he doesn't care and neither do we if you wanna be a cry baby...boo hoo.
I have met lee, he is an easy to chat with, down to earth bloke.
I'm looking forward to the channel lee, it's refreshing to see someone who is business focused, not soneone who is consumer led with buying the best brush, or thinnest hose.
Cleaniac calling others cry babies 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 that’s brilliant coming from someone who spat the dummy and left the forum not so long ago.
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On a forum, if you are feeling negative,
How is trying to be a decent person who cares about others rather than being an arrogant individual who sounds so focused on his business that I would hate to be part of his family, negative???
I would have thought it was the opposite.
Your getting rather personal there don't you think. Remember as I said before you have never met me and don't know me. Try to keep that in mind mate, all you do know is what you read here and starting to talk about my family is stepping a bit far in the wrong direction. I find what you just did there repulsive so I guess now we are even. Better just draw the line under that.
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Also john boy
As you dont seem to be able to read between the lines of what I said let me spell out the context you seem to have missed. Dry clean argued a case that there is no money at this level. My rant post about cars holidays ect was in no way intended to belittle anyone. I was simply pointing out to dry clean in what was meant to be a tongue in cheek bit of humour that I must be making some money in order to keep doing these things in life. For some reason you were repulsed, but I bet there were others that read that and laughed and others that read that and were inspired a bit or entertained. If you are replused by me then why get involved at all.
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On a forum, if you are feeling negative, and read something someone wrote the whole context can be completely mis construde.
Arrogance or the perception of it is irrelivent if you want to grow your business. Lee isn't trying to win a populartiy contest, he is showing us how we can improve our businesses, and communicating that, that's all, if you find it arrogant, so what..either try to learn from some of the things he has done or carry on as you are, he doesn't care and neither do we if you wanna be a cry baby...boo hoo.
I have met lee, he is an easy to chat with, down to earth bloke.
I'm looking forward to the channel lee, it's refreshing to see someone who is business focused, not soneone who is consumer led with buying the best brush, or thinnest hose.
Cleaniac calling others cry babies 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 that’s brilliant coming from someone who spat the dummy and left the forum not so long ago.
Yeah I did.
I acted foolishly.
So what?
We learn from our mistakes and move on.
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Also john boy
As you dont seem to be able to read between the lines of what I said let me spell out the context you seem to have missed. Dry clean argued a case that there is no money at this level. My rant post about cars holidays ect was in no way intended to belittle anyone. I was simply pointing out to dry clean in what was meant to be a tongue in cheek bit of humour that I must be making some money in order to keep doing these things in life. For some reason you were repulsed, but I bet there were others that read that and laughed and others that read that and were inspired a bit or entertained. If you are replused by me then why get involved at all.
I read it and thought what a K.n.o.b ! It all sounds a little bit too desperate from you Lee, I'm begining to question your level of "success" recently. Just how much is fact Vs BS! You are desperate to be "somebody" that's for sure, I just find it a little sad that your audience are strangers on the internet!
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This forum is now up there along side kindergarden and the house of commons. ;D
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I find it sad that its always the same few here like you that pump the forum with negative energy. Not really sure what you gain from doing that? It really makes no difference to me what you believe or think. You see to me your just another hater that like the others hides behind a fake name.
I think if you and maybe 3-5 others were removed it would be a more posetive place. Because of you and others people on here just watch from the sidelines and dont get involved, those people could be helping a lot but dont because of crap being thrown at them like this.
In a strange way people like you inspire me. Your exactly what I dont want to be and it really does make me even more focused on achieving my goals in business.
Haha as for believing me or not. Everyone here knows my name, my business name, where I am, our website. Ive done videos filming the computer screen showing figures proving what im talking about. I would argue im the most transparant person on here. Who the f..k are you? A hater that hides behind a fake name. lol or is your name actually peavey wolfgang? If so you were almost certainly bullied at school which might account for all the bitter attitude.
Come on hater, humour me..... go on, tell us your real name, business name, address, website.... Nah of course you wont. Perhaps until you do you should stick to threads that talk about things like brushes and poles.
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Also john boy
As you dont seem to be able to read between the lines of what I said let me spell out the context you seem to have missed. Dry clean argued a case that there is no money at this level. My rant post about cars holidays ect was in no way intended to belittle anyone. I was simply pointing out to dry clean in what was meant to be a tongue in cheek bit of humour that I must be making some money in order to keep doing these things in life. For some reason you were repulsed, but I bet there were others that read that and laughed and others that read that and were inspired a bit or entertained. If you are replused by me then why get involved at all.
I read it and thought what a K.n.o.b ! It all sounds a little bit too desperate from you Lee, I'm begining to question your level of "success" recently. Just how much is fact Vs BS! You are desperate to be "somebody" that's for sure, I just find it a little sad that your audience are strangers on the internet!
I think for some Lee is inspirational and actually has provided a marketing blueprint for anyone to follow. He’s even shared his mistakes like TV advertising, or was it radio so others don’t make them. He is prickly on here, but let’s be honest most people are.
Personally I wouldn’t sell my house and some of the things he did verge on the grandiose, but you can’t deny he’s (whether deliberate or not ) helped quite a few, including me.
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ok im back in, sorry couldnt resist.
"nothing adds up"
Well then how do we live, how do we continue to grow? Whos paying for the holidays and nice cars and so on? Where's that money coming from? Thin air?
Could spend all day here going through it and you still just wont get it.
Lets remind everyone of a clear fact. I have been the one man band, I started trad from nothing, I have been at every stage from there to here. You have not. So when you with no experience at all of anything past the point you are at right now, come on here saying it doesn't add up, you have literally no idea of what you are talking about.
You would be lucky to be left with £150k a year and your wibbling on about working for free to bankrupt an x employee like you're the JR of window cleaning, you don't need a business degree to see through this sort of BS.
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Lee
What makes you think you are the biggest in the south?
By turnover?
By vans on the road?
Or by profit
Because nobody else would be foolish enough to try and build a large window cleaning business in the south, Lee's guys average £70k a year, he pays them £30k plus costs holiday pay and so on, lets say £40k, that leaves him around £300k for 2 office staff an office manager, 10 vans and all the other equipment, premises and marketing the list goes on, theres a reason why theres no Amazon or Virgin window cleaning.
Believe me if there was real money in this he wouldnt be broadcasting it to all on here.
Oh this is just pure gold! Actually made my day.
How on earth do you get to 40k per staff member? haha. One of the 2 girls is the manager so not 2 plus manager. I own 4 of our 10 vans outright and the list of where your wrong goes on and on.
So in your last sentence your saying there is no money in window cleaning. Jesus we all better find another job then!
Your totally right theres no money left for me, im skint ha!! My mrs and I will be poolside in dubai (again) in 3 weeks(4k for the week). While im there with a g&t in my hand at the swim up bar, still being paid and everything running fine without me, I will try to work out where it all went wrong. Dont worry I will let you know when the answer comes to me. In the mean time ive decided to not work today, (just because I can) instead I will jump in my brand new 75k m4 cabrio and drive into town where I will drop off my 7k breitling navitimer to get serviced before we go away. Then im off to purchase a new video camera which I plan to use for our new youtube chanel starting next month (watch this space) Oh and as theres no money in window cleaning I better swing by the job centre to sign on while im out! On my way home I might pop into the office just to see if the £4k on the worksheets for today got done and click the button to start all of it being collected by direct debit.
Yep, theres no money in window cleaning past being a 1 man band. I better cancel the 2 brand new vans on order. Thank god you were here to save me from myself before I made a huge mistake. :'(
Growing your business to achieve financial freedom and freedom of personal time = ...........brilliant
1 man band online haters slating a person whos business is fast approaching a million a year=.......... priceless!
If this is what money does to you, no thanks, I’d rather be skint!
Try to see the fact im having a laugh mate. Of course if you want to be skint then good for you, enjoy that.
NO one wants me to be skint,
Just not rich and big headed
Arrogance is not a positive attribute 😱
Arrogant people don't need the constant validation of others to feel good about themselves, its lack of self worth that drives both 8 weekly and Lee to constantly brag about their achievements, its also why they take it so personally when anybody dares to question them.
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Lee
What makes you think you are the biggest in the south?
By turnover?
By vans on the road?
Or by profit
Because nobody else would be foolish enough to try and build a large window cleaning business in the south, Lee's guys average £70k a year, he pays them £30k plus costs holiday pay and so on, lets say £40k, that leaves him around £300k for 2 office staff an office manager, 10 vans and all the other equipment, premises and marketing the list goes on, theres a reason why theres no Amazon or Virgin window cleaning.
Believe me if there was real money in this he wouldnt be broadcasting it to all on here.
Oh this is just pure gold! Actually made my day.
How on earth do you get to 40k per staff member? haha. One of the 2 girls is the manager so not 2 plus manager. I own 4 of our 10 vans outright and the list of where your wrong goes on and on.
So in your last sentence your saying there is no money in window cleaning. Jesus we all better find another job then!
Your totally right theres no money left for me, im skint ha!! My mrs and I will be poolside in dubai (again) in 3 weeks(4k for the week). While im there with a g&t in my hand at the swim up bar, still being paid and everything running fine without me, I will try to work out where it all went wrong. Dont worry I will let you know when the answer comes to me. In the mean time ive decided to not work today, (just because I can) instead I will jump in my brand new 75k m4 cabrio and drive into town where I will drop off my 7k breitling navitimer to get serviced before we go away. Then im off to purchase a new video camera which I plan to use for our new youtube chanel starting next month (watch this space) Oh and as theres no money in window cleaning I better swing by the job centre to sign on while im out! On my way home I might pop into the office just to see if the £4k on the worksheets for today got done and click the button to start all of it being collected by direct debit.
Yep, theres no money in window cleaning past being a 1 man band. I better cancel the 2 brand new vans on order. Thank god you were here to save me from myself before I made a huge mistake. :'(
Growing your business to achieve financial freedom and freedom of personal time = ...........brilliant
1 man band online haters slating a person whos business is fast approaching a million a year=.......... priceless!
If this is what money does to you, no thanks, I’d rather be skint!
Try to see the fact im having a laugh mate. Of course if you want to be skint then good for you, enjoy that.
NO one wants me to be skint,
Just not rich and big headed
Arrogance is not a positive attribute 😱
Arrogant people don't need the constant validation of others to feel good about themselves, its lack of self worth that drives both 8 weekly and Lee to constantly brag about their achievements, its also why they take it so personally when anybody dares to question them.
Oh dear Sean. You were good for so long. Stick to Vision. You know it makes sense. ;D
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I find it sad that its always the same few here like you that pump the forum with negative energy. Not really sure what you gain from doing that? It really makes no difference to me what you believe or think. You see to me your just another hater that like the others hides behind a fake name.
I think if you and maybe 3-5 others were removed it would be a more posetive place. Because of you and others people on here just watch from the sidelines and dont get involved, those people could be helping a lot but dont because of crap being thrown at them like this.
In a strange way people like you inspire me. Your exactly what I dont want to be and it really does make me even more focused on achieving my goals in business.
Haha as for believing me or not. Everyone here knows my name, my business name, where I am, our website. Ive done videos filming the computer screen showing figures proving what im talking about. I would argue im the most transparant person on here. Who the f..k are you? A hater that hides behind a fake name. lol or is your name actually peavey wolfgang? If so you were almost certainly bullied at school which might account for all the bitter attitude.
Come on hater, humour me..... go on, tell us your real name, business name, address, website.... Nah of course you wont. Perhaps until you do you should stick to threads that talk about things like brushes and poles.
Not at all predictable that you pull the "hater" card ::)roll
Why on earth would I spill my personal details to strangers on the tinterweb? I don't need cyber strangers to massage my ego, It's very poor taste IMO and thus best left for the desperados around here.
You're a very aggressive person- the vast majority of your online reviews also confirm this. The minute you don't get your "ego fix" you belittle people and resort to aggression.
"When you are dead you feel nothing, it's all the others that suffer. It's the same when you're an idiot! "::)roll
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Your wrong mate, you have to be a bit arrogant/confident/mad to push forward to higher levels. Those traits can be good things. Lets also not forget you don't know me, have never met me, and your only experience of me is on this forum. Perhaps Im a certain way in business and totally different in my personal life. You don't know do you., because you don't know me. I do what I have to do in order to get the job done and reach the goals I aspire to. If along the way faceless strangers and haters think im arrogant then good, Im glad you do.
I honestly can’t fathom why you bother to post on here.
You certainly seemed to have achieved a level of success most of us envy, but not necessarily want to work so hard for or want to risk everything you did to emulate
You’ve spent time today replying to comments, to fight you corner, why?
If I’m charitable, you post your success stories to encourage others but then if anybody challenges or takes the micky you become argumentative. That’s fine, it’s your right. To me it just makes you the same as the one man band as your more prepared to try and mix it rather than rise above.
Your business profile
I once wrote that you had made a stupid comment on a thread you had commented on. Immediately you took it as I had called you stupid and changed your plans with a day or two to go, to attend the show where I could say it to your face.
See what I mean?
Your YouTube channel will serve you well, those who enjoy your success will follow, comment and encourage. The haters, fiss takers and everyone will either take no notice or you can ban them!
Written in spirit please note I haven’t called you fat or stupid. You stupid fattie. 😁
Tony
Actually Tony I was disappointed to not meet you at the show. I would have enjoyed chatting with you over a beer there. I think most people here would be surprised about what im really like in person.
My youtube channel will be aimed at people in our industry who are either a 1 man band who want to aspire to more or for companies that already have maybe 2/3 vans on the road and are finding it hard to get beyond that. The goal of the channel will be to inspire others, share my experiences and also help me connect with like minded people. A bit like on here there are youtube channels with window cleaners already but they are mostly one man bands and don't have the experience I do. My videos will not be about how to clean a window or the latest brush. I will assume people watching already have moved past that point and I will be dealing with the bigger issues of running a business rather than being a window cleaner.
I know i had my fair share of disbelieve in the past when u first mentioned your plans and im man enough to apologise as clearly you have worked hard and achieved a good empire of work.
I personally look forward to the u tube chamnel, not particularly because i want to expand to that extent but because i find it interesting and it also expires to keep pushing and it shows with the right mental attitude what you can achieve with a window cleaning business.
Beats watching vids (haha and yes ive done some about brushes etc to help newbies) on brushes or go cardless or how to mix the right dilution of soap to the water on trad. Its one reason why i dont do vlogs on these topics as they have been done to death (and yes (others reading) i get video requests) so yep, be interesting to see the vids
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Also john boy
As you dont seem to be able to read between the lines of what I said let me spell out the context you seem to have missed. Dry clean argued a case that there is no money at this level. My rant post about cars holidays ect was in no way intended to belittle anyone. I was simply pointing out to dry clean in what was meant to be a tongue in cheek bit of humour that I must be making some money in order to keep doing these things in life. For some reason you were repulsed, but I bet there were others that read that and laughed and others that read that and were inspired a bit or entertained. If you are replused by me then why get involved at all.
cmon lee!you know sean(dry clean)by now...he s a wind up merchant and you fall for it every time....jonboywalton is another......
at the end of the day your providing lads with employment,everybody is making money and a half decent living.....it should be applauded....
we cant all be sole traders!(although im very happy to be one :))....
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Right, 😂😂 ive caught up to the end of the thread now i think.
One thing which, to me seems clear, that some are not happy with themselves or their own achievements. Why do i say this? The answer is simple! When anybody comes on this forum and say what they are able to achieve, because they are not able to do so or have no intention to do so, then they feel strongly to belittle or disprove your claims.
In this case with Lee, if you truly are happy with your business then you will see Lees' posts for what they. However if you are not and have an inferior complex going on, then Lees' posts (and others) are hurtful or boasting and you want him to stop or apologise for the way in which you interpret them.
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Also john boy
As you dont seem to be able to read between the lines of what I said let me spell out the context you seem to have missed. Dry clean argued a case that there is no money at this level. My rant post about cars holidays ect was in no way intended to belittle anyone. I was simply pointing out to dry clean in what was meant to be a tongue in cheek bit of humour that I must be making some money in order to keep doing these things in life. For some reason you were repulsed, but I bet there were others that read that and laughed and others that read that and were inspired a bit or entertained. If you are replused by me then why get involved at all.
cmon lee!you know sean(dry clean)by now...he s a wind up merchant and you fall for it every time....jonboywalton is another......
at the end of the day your providing lads with employment,everybody is making money and a half decent living.....it should be applauded....
we cant all be sole traders!(although im very happy to be one :))....
Dazmond I never said Lee wasn't making any money infect I made it quite clear that what he's making is not to be laughed at,
what I did question was the selling of his home and all the time and effort worth the end result, which would be a good debate amongst the right people, that said when it comes to Lee I did realise the question would result in a hissy fit so some badness on my part. lol
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Lee, the comment I made about family was not having any sort of go at anyone of YOUR family at all.
What I was meaning was, the way you address people at times with a lack of respect, I wouldn't want to be that close to you, to be subjected to that sort of talk on a regular basis
It was about YOU not you're family.
Also Daz, you're right I am a wind up merchant some of the time, but on this topic I'm being totally serious.
What Lee has done business wise is impressive, but a bit of humility is always nice, don't you think.
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Now now chris.
Not sure wether to laugh or wonder why you know about videos like this one!
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sooooo
What about the average wage of a window cleaner eh?
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I find it sad that its always the same few here like you that pump the forum with negative energy. Not really sure what you gain from doing that? It really makes no difference to me what you believe or think. You see to me your just another hater that like the others hides behind a fake name.
I think if you and maybe 3-5 others were removed it would be a more posetive place. Because of you and others people on here just watch from the sidelines and dont get involved, those people could be helping a lot but dont because of crap being thrown at them like this.
In a strange way people like you inspire me. Your exactly what I dont want to be and it really does make me even more focused on achieving my goals in business.
Haha as for believing me or not. Everyone here knows my name, my business name, where I am, our website. Ive done videos filming the computer screen showing figures proving what im talking about. I would argue im the most transparant person on here. Who the f..k are you? A hater that hides behind a fake name. lol or is your name actually peavey wolfgang? If so you were almost certainly bullied at school which might account for all the bitter attitude.
Come on hater, humour me..... go on, tell us your real name, business name, address, website.... Nah of course you wont. Perhaps until you do you should stick to threads that talk about things like brushes and poles.
Not at all predictable that you pull the "hater" card ::)roll
Why on earth would I spill my personal details to strangers on the tinterweb? I don't need cyber strangers to massage my ego, It's very poor taste IMO and thus best left for the desperados around here.
You're a very aggressive person- the vast majority of your online reviews also confirm this. The minute you don't get your "ego fix" you belittle people and resort to aggression.
"When you are dead you feel nothing, it's all the others that suffer. It's the same when you're an idiot! "::)roll
Havnt shown you any aggression at all mate, just think its a coward that attacks people from behind their fake name in a safe position. As for the hater card, well you are a hater arnt you.
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Lee, have you got a drumkit?
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Lee, have you got a drumkit?
😂😂😂
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Jesus it must be low IQ night.
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I find it sad that its always the same few here like you that pump the forum with negative energy. Not really sure what you gain from doing that? It really makes no difference to me what you believe or think. You see to me your just another hater that like the others hides behind a fake name.
I think if you and maybe 3-5 others were removed it would be a more posetive place. Because of you and others people on here just watch from the sidelines and dont get involved, those people could be helping a lot but dont because of crap being thrown at them like this.
In a strange way people like you inspire me. Your exactly what I dont want to be and it really does make me even more focused on achieving my goals in business.
Haha as for believing me or not. Everyone here knows my name, my business name, where I am, our website. Ive done videos filming the computer screen showing figures proving what im talking about. I would argue im the most transparant person on here. Who the f..k are you? A hater that hides behind a fake name. lol or is your name actually peavey wolfgang? If so you were almost certainly bullied at school which might account for all the bitter attitude.
Come on hater, humour me..... go on, tell us your real name, business name, address, website.... Nah of course you wont. Perhaps until you do you should stick to threads that talk about things like brushes and poles.
Not at all predictable that you pull the "hater" card ::)roll
Why on earth would I spill my personal details to strangers on the tinterweb? I don't need cyber strangers to massage my ego, It's very poor taste IMO and thus best left for the desperados around here.
You're a very aggressive person- the vast majority of your online reviews also confirm this. The minute you don't get your "ego fix" you belittle people and resort to aggression.
"When you are dead you feel nothing, it's all the others that suffer. It's the same when you're an idiot! "::)roll
Havnt shown you any aggression at all mate, just think its a coward that attacks people from behind their fake name in a safe position. As for the hater card, well you are a hater arnt you.
Peavey Lee Pryor's at the front door, he says its something to do with you calling him an idiot.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1549915987_lee pryor.png)
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I find it sad that its always the same few here like you that pump the forum with negative energy. Not really sure what you gain from doing that? It really makes no difference to me what you believe or think. You see to me your just another hater that like the others hides behind a fake name.
I think if you and maybe 3-5 others were removed it would be a more posetive place. Because of you and others people on here just watch from the sidelines and dont get involved, those people could be helping a lot but dont because of crap being thrown at them like this.
In a strange way people like you inspire me. Your exactly what I dont want to be and it really does make me even more focused on achieving my goals in business.
Haha as for believing me or not. Everyone here knows my name, my business name, where I am, our website. Ive done videos filming the computer screen showing figures proving what im talking about. I would argue im the most transparant person on here. Who the f..k are you? A hater that hides behind a fake name. lol or is your name actually peavey wolfgang? If so you were almost certainly bullied at school which might account for all the bitter attitude.
Come on hater, humour me..... go on, tell us your real name, business name, address, website.... Nah of course you wont. Perhaps until you do you should stick to threads that talk about things like brushes and poles.
Not at all predictable that you pull the "hater" card ::)roll
Why on earth would I spill my personal details to strangers on the tinterweb? I don't need cyber strangers to massage my ego, It's very poor taste IMO and thus best left for the desperados around here.
You're a very aggressive person- the vast majority of your online reviews also confirm this. The minute you don't get your "ego fix" you belittle people and resort to aggression.
"When you are dead you feel nothing, it's all the others that suffer. It's the same when you're an idiot! "::)roll
Havnt shown you any aggression at all mate, just think its a coward that attacks people from behind their fake name in a safe position. As for the hater card, well you are a hater arnt you.
Peavey Lee Pryor's at the front door, he says its something to do with you calling him an idiot.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1549915987_lee pryor.png)
That'll be Two k.n.o.b.s at my front door then!! 👍
Think I'd rather sit and stick pins into my own eyeballs rather than hear the "Lee Pryor" story one more time!!
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OK I know some on here who will think I am sucking up but I do not get all this hate for lee pryor, I read post after post about window cleaners how are sick that customers think that our work is for beer money and is not a proper job then you get some one like lee that is trying to help and show what can be achieved if you know how ::)roll ... I am a small fry just me and my sister that works in my business and I would kill to have the wage that lee gets, Love reading his post and seeing his youtube videos
Isn't this what the forum is all about to help one another :-\
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I thought it was the women who are supposed to be bitchy?
Usualy if soemone hates another for being succesful its because they have a fear of failure, i think it took huge cahones for Lee Pryor to get to where hes got. I take my hat off to him.
Some people say he has issues? Havent we all?
I like to hear a success story, its way better than hearing about how something cant be done/why it shouldnt.
There seems to be a handful of people on here who lurk on the sidelines waitng for an opportunity to pull others down, that says a lot about them. They never actualy add anything useful or informative,they just look for a spoil. That also speaks volumes.
Its like the fat person that swears down dead they are happy being fat, and come up with every justification.
Theres no right way or wrong way to live your life, just your own way. I believe doing something note worthy is great, I would rather tell my grandchildren I did something amazing with my life, rather than sat on a PC slagging others off.
Each to they're own "innit"
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Oooh this is a bit spicy this thread isn't it..
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I wonder what the average IQ for a window cleaner is.
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OK I know some on here who will think I am sucking up but I do not get all this hate for lee pryor, I read post after post about window cleaners how are sick that customers think that our work is for beer money and is not a proper job then you get some one like lee that is trying to help and show what can be achieved if you know how ::)roll ... I am a small fry just me and my sister that works in my business and I would kill to have the wage that lee gets, Love reading his post and seeing his youtube videos
Isn't this what the forum is all about to help one another :-\
Just because you disagree with somebody doesn't mean you hate them, Lee Pryor tends to pull out the hater card when he cant answer a question or is called out for being foolish.
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I wonder what the average IQ for a window cleaner is.
Room temperature in fahrenheit?
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Jesus it must be low IQ night.
It increases as the night goes on.
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i still cant get my head around one person being able to earn £70k a year window cleaning!they must be working full time and cleaning very good priced work.....i couldnt work full time anymore...i havent got the stomach for it.....
you must get hammered for tax though.......
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lol you lot need to start aiming a bit higher!
If I go to the reports page of cleaner planner and select revenue by user and select the date 1st jan 18 to 31st dec 18 here is what I see.
So not all of my team (10 cleaners) were with me for all of 2018 but from the ones that were here are their totals for the year. I will also say my staff all get 20 days paid holiday and all bank holidays off paid.
Andy £78,368
Chris £76,070
Danny £65,848
Dean £83,248
Luke £60,728 (he also had a month off extra when his wife was very sick)
Mike £74,623
Tom £72,660
Is there vat in that?
If not, that’s very impressive.
Hard workers.
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lol you lot need to start aiming a bit higher!
If I go to the reports page of cleaner planner and select revenue by user and select the date 1st jan 18 to 31st dec 18 here is what I see.
So not all of my team (10 cleaners) were with me for all of 2018 but from the ones that were here are their totals for the year. I will also say my staff all get 20 days paid holiday and all bank holidays off paid.
Andy £78,368
Chris £76,070
Danny £65,848
Dean £83,248
Luke £60,728 (he also had a month off extra when his wife was very sick)
Mike £74,623
Tom £72,660
Is there vat in that?
If not, that’s very impressive.
Hard workers.
Good point, I didn't included the VAT when going over his costs.
Employee, average £80k x 10 employees on tools.
VAT £16000 per employee.
Employee wages and costs £35k, reduced to stop crying
That leaves £29k per employee times 10 £290k to cover vans, tools, premises and costs, business rates and water charges, marketing , 1 office staff 1 office manager, his wages, the list goes on.
Talk about a house of cards.
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i still cant get my head around one person being able to earn £70k a year window cleaning!they must be working full time and cleaning very good priced work.....i couldnt work full time anymore...i havent got the stomach for it.....
you must get hammered for tax though.......
Its actually £80k over 46 weeks, to achieve it all you need to do is 14 £25 properties a day 5 days a week over the 46 weeks,
the joke it even though it does look easy when printed out like this it wont be the reality for most. lol
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lol you lot need to start aiming a bit higher!
If I go to the reports page of cleaner planner and select revenue by user and select the date 1st jan 18 to 31st dec 18 here is what I see.
So not all of my team (10 cleaners) were with me for all of 2018 but from the ones that were here are their totals for the year. I will also say my staff all get 20 days paid holiday and all bank holidays off paid.
Andy £78,368
Chris £76,070
Danny £65,848
Dean £83,248
Luke £60,728 (he also had a month off extra when his wife was very sick)
Mike £74,623
Tom £72,660
Is there vat in that?
If not, that’s very impressive.
Hard workers.
Good point, I didn't included the VAT when going over his costs.
Employee, average £80k x 10 employees on tools.
VAT £16000 per employee.
Employee wages and costs £35k, reduced to stop crying
That leaves £29k per employee times 10 £290k to cover vans, tools, premises and costs, business rates and water charges, marketing , 1 office staff 1 office manager, his wages, the list goes on.
Talk about a house of cards.
A “house of cards” that provides full time employment for 13/14 people. ::)roll
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OK I know some on here who will think I am sucking up but I do not get all this hate for lee pryor, I read post after post about window cleaners how are sick that customers think that our work is for beer money and is not a proper job then you get some one like lee that is trying to help and show what can be achieved if you know how ::)roll ... I am a small fry just me and my sister that works in my business and I would kill to have the wage that lee gets, Love reading his post and seeing his youtube videos
Isn't this what the forum is all about to help one another :-\
Just because you disagree with somebody doesn't mean you hate them, Lee Pryor tends to pull out the hater card when he cant answer a question or is called out for being foolish.
Lets be clear that because I choose not to answer a question doesnt mean that I cant answer it.
Also in your other post further down you have made the usual VAT calculation mistake which I have pointed out before in other topics. You NEVER pay 20% because you always spent on something every month.
I think you forget ive been long past a single opperator for years and years. Clearly not a house of cards then. Many companies exist all over the uk that employ staff, I suppose the owners of those dont earn any money either.
What we have here from you and a few others is a simple case of attack something you dont understand. As I keep saying you have no experience past where you are now, I do and everything in between.
Lets put an end to this shal we.
I will finally tell you the number. I wont be breaking it down though.
If we turn over 1 million we will make 250K or 25%. Granted from a % point of view a one man band will be a lot more. As you grow so do your expenses thats just a fact of any business. Frankly I will be very happy with that for a job that by then I will be going into maybe 2 days a week! In the world of business 25% profit is considered very good. If you think what Ive done would have only been worth it for something like 500k a year then good for you, thats just silly. When I then consider my other half earns 150k a year I think we are doing quite well with a combined household income of 400k.
Now you can speculate all you want, Im the only one that has all the facts so why waste your time. In the end as long as your happy doing what you do and im happy doing what I do thats all that really matters isnt it.
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lol you lot need to start aiming a bit higher!
If I go to the reports page of cleaner planner and select revenue by user and select the date 1st jan 18 to 31st dec 18 here is what I see.
So not all of my team (10 cleaners) were with me for all of 2018 but from the ones that were here are their totals for the year. I will also say my staff all get 20 days paid holiday and all bank holidays off paid.
Andy £78,368
Chris £76,070
Danny £65,848
Dean £83,248
Luke £60,728 (he also had a month off extra when his wife was very sick)
Mike £74,623
Tom £72,660
Is there vat in that?
If not, that’s very impressive.
Hard workers.
Good point, I didn't included the VAT when going over his costs.
Employee, average £80k x 10 employees on tools.
VAT £16000 per employee.
Employee wages and costs £35k, reduced to stop crying
That leaves £29k per employee times 10 £290k to cover vans, tools, premises and costs, business rates and water charges, marketing , 1 office staff 1 office manager, his wages, the list goes on.
Talk about a house of cards.
A “house of cards” that provides full time employment for 13/14 people. ::)roll
How many people did BHS employ ? I will repeat one of Tosh's replies to you, its like you don't know how to think.
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i still cant get my head around one person being able to earn £70k a year window cleaning!they must be working full time and cleaning very good priced work.....i couldnt work full time anymore...i havent got the stomach for it.....
you must get hammered for tax though.......
I think it would be piece of p at Southern prices.
Arnt they getting £20 or more for a semi?
Don't know own about you but 20 -25 jobs a day 9-3 isnt too difficult for me. If my average price was £20 rather than £12 I think I could hit the VAT threshold without too much difficulty
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I’m not knocking you Lee it can be done but as you’ve done it you do need cash behind you initially,even longer road without.
You are replicating what you already have with window cleaning it’s a numbers game,I’ve always said if you have 1 £50 job there’s nothing stopping you getting another 100 jobs at £50.
You need drive a lot of it and there’s a lot of people that flatly refuse it can’t be done because they don’t have it,that’s not a criticism it’s just the way of the world.
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OK I know some on here who will think I am sucking up but I do not get all this hate for lee pryor, I read post after post about window cleaners how are sick that customers think that our work is for beer money and is not a proper job then you get some one like lee that is trying to help and show what can be achieved if you know how ::)roll ... I am a small fry just me and my sister that works in my business and I would kill to have the wage that lee gets, Love reading his post and seeing his youtube videos
Isn't this what the forum is all about to help one another :-\
Just because you disagree with somebody doesn't mean you hate them, Lee Pryor tends to pull out the hater card when he cant answer a question or is called out for being foolish.
Lets be clear that because I choose not to answer a question doesnt mean that I cant answer it.
Also in your other post further down you have made the usual VAT calculation mistake which I have pointed out before in other topics. You NEVER pay 20% because you always spent on something every month.
I think you forget ive been long past a single opperator for years and years. Clearly not a house of cards then. Many companies exist all over the uk that employ staff, I suppose the owners of those dont earn any money either.
What we have here from you and a few others is a simple case of attack something you dont understand. As I keep saying you have no experience past where you are now, I do and everything in between.
Lets put an end to this shal we.
I will finally tell you the number. I wont be breaking it down though.
If we turn over 1 million we will make 250K or 25%. Granted from a % point of view a one man band will be a lot more. As you grow so do your expenses thats just a fact of any business. Frankly I will be very happy with that for a job that by then I will be going into maybe 2 days a week! In the world of business 25% profit is considered very good. If you think what Ive done would have only been worth it for something like 500k a year then good for you, thats just silly. When I then consider my other half earns 150k a year I think we are doing quite well with a combined household income of 400k.
Now you can speculate all you want, Im the only one that has all the facts so why waste your time. In the end as long as your happy doing what you do and im happy doing what I do thats all that really matters isnt it.
More wibble, your VAT on one million would be £200k to offset even a small amount of this, let say £40k, you would need to be spending £200k a year on equipment, keep digging.
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OK I know some on here who will think I am sucking up but I do not get all this hate for lee pryor, I read post after post about window cleaners how are sick that customers think that our work is for beer money and is not a proper job then you get some one like lee that is trying to help and show what can be achieved if you know how ::)roll ... I am a small fry just me and my sister that works in my business and I would kill to have the wage that lee gets, Love reading his post and seeing his youtube videos
Isn't this what the forum is all about to help one another :-\
Just because you disagree with somebody doesn't mean you hate them, Lee Pryor tends to pull out the hater card when he cant answer a question or is called out for being foolish.
Lets be clear that because I choose not to answer a question doesnt mean that I cant answer it.
Also in your other post further down you have made the usual VAT calculation mistake which I have pointed out before in other topics. You NEVER pay 20% because you always spent on something every month.
I think you forget ive been long past a single opperator for years and years. Clearly not a house of cards then. Many companies exist all over the uk that employ staff, I suppose the owners of those dont earn any money either.
What we have here from you and a few others is a simple case of attack something you dont understand. As I keep saying you have no experience past where you are now, I do and everything in between.
Lets put an end to this shal we.
I will finally tell you the number. I wont be breaking it down though.
If we turn over 1 million we will make 250K or 25%. Granted from a % point of view a one man band will be a lot more. As you grow so do your expenses thats just a fact of any business. Frankly I will be very happy with that for a job that by then I will be going into maybe 2 days a week! In the world of business 25% profit is considered very good. If you think what Ive done would have only been worth it for something like 500k a year then good for you, thats just silly. When I then consider my other half earns 150k a year I think we are doing quite well with a combined household income of 400k.
Now you can speculate all you want, Im the only one that has all the facts so why waste your time. In the end as long as your happy doing what you do and im happy doing what I do thats all that really matters isnt it.
More wibble, your VAT on one million would be £200k to offset even a small amount of this, let say 40k, you would need to be spending £200k a year on equipment, keep digging.
Ah you got me. Oh well it was worth a try. Off to the job centre I go then.
You really dont know much about vat do you. Not just equipment is it, fuel, van finance and maintenence, equipment, marketing, office bills, the list is endless. Once again your lack of any real experience shows through. I expect you have never paid a vat bill and yet here you are again giving strong opinions on something you have litterally never experienced.
Dont worry guys one of my up coming videos will cover the issue of vat from someone that has paid a fair few vat bills in his time.
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LOL, if his VAT knowledge is anything like yours I will give it a miss, even with all the VAT claimable expenditure its still only going to save you peanuts on your VAT bill, the fact that you though it made a sizeable difference shows you haven't a clue.
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LOL, if his VAT knowledge is anything like yours I will give it a miss, even with all the VAT claimable expenditure its still only going to save you peanuts on your VAT bill, the fact that you though it made a decent difference shows you haven't a clue.
You know whats really funny. You and all the haters will watch my videos just as much as anyone else. I expect you might even follow some of the advice because deep down we all know why people like you are the way you are. We all know why dont we.
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I don't think you will need to rush to the job centre but with the amount of money you have invested in your business it will take you many years to break even, and for what. double what a sole trader can make in your area.
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OK I know some on here who will think I am sucking up but I do not get all this hate for lee pryor, I read post after post about window cleaners how are sick that customers think that our work is for beer money and is not a proper job then you get some one like lee that is trying to help and show what can be achieved if you know how ::)roll ... I am a small fry just me and my sister that works in my business and I would kill to have the wage that lee gets, Love reading his post and seeing his youtube videos
Isn't this what the forum is all about to help one another :-\
Just because you disagree with somebody doesn't mean you hate them, Lee Pryor tends to pull out the hater card when he cant answer a question or is called out for being foolish.
Lets be clear that because I choose not to answer a question doesnt mean that I cant answer it.
Also in your other post further down you have made the usual VAT calculation mistake which I have pointed out before in other topics. You NEVER pay 20% because you always spent on something every month.
I think you forget ive been long past a single opperator for years and years. Clearly not a house of cards then. Many companies exist all over the uk that employ staff, I suppose the owners of those dont earn any money either.
What we have here from you and a few others is a simple case of attack something you dont understand. As I keep saying you have no experience past where you are now, I do and everything in between.
Lets put an end to this shal we.
I will finally tell you the number. I wont be breaking it down though.
If we turn over 1 million we will make 250K or 25%. Granted from a % point of view a one man band will be a lot more. As you grow so do your expenses thats just a fact of any business. Frankly I will be very happy with that for a job that by then I will be going into maybe 2 days a week! In the world of business 25% profit is considered very good. If you think what Ive done would have only been worth it for something like 500k a year then good for you, thats just silly. When I then consider my other half earns 150k a year I think we are doing quite well with a combined household income of 400k.
Now you can speculate all you want, Im the only one that has all the facts so why waste your time. In the end as long as your happy doing what you do and im happy doing what I do thats all that really matters isnt it.
For perspective, Amazon's margin is 4.1%.
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Lee doesn't like me, thats a fact, but I admire his courage and persistence.
Who gives a hoot what Ewan/Sean/Dry Clean think. 200K is more than he makes after tax in a decade. If I drank Id be supping G & T's in Dubai too, I'd be first in the queue.
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LOL, if his VAT knowledge is anything like yours I will give it a miss, even with all the VAT claimable expenditure its still only going to save you peanuts on your VAT bill, the fact that you though it made a decent difference shows you haven't a clue.
You know whats really funny. You and all the haters will watch my videos just as much as anyone else. I expect you might even follow some of the advice because deep down we all know why people like you are the way you are. We all know why dont we.
Lee if theres one thing you like more than people kissing your backside its people who you think hate you and are jealous because of your success, If I really hated you I would ignore you not feed your ego.
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Lee doesn't like me, thats a fact, but I admire his courage and persistence.
Who gives a hoot what Ewan/Sean/Dry Clean think. 200K is more than he makes after tax in a decade. If I drank Id be supping G & T's in Dubai too, I'd be first in the queue.
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Lee doesn't like me, thats a fact, but I admire his courage and persistence.
Who gives a hoot what Ewan/Sean/Dry Clean think. 200K is more than he makes after tax in a decade. If I drank Id be supping G & T's in Dubai too, I'd be first in the queue.
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I like the meme.
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Bump
Telly's a bit rubbish tonight! ;D
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Lee
What makes you think you are the biggest in the south?
By turnover?
By vans on the road?
Or by profit
Because nobody else would be foolish enough to try and build a large window cleaning business in the south, Lee's guys average £70k a year, he pays them £30k plus costs holiday pay and so on, lets say £40k, that leaves him around £300k for 2 office staff an office manager, 10 vans and all the other equipment, premises and marketing the list goes on, theres a reason why theres no Amazon or Virgin window cleaning.
Believe me if there was real money in this he wouldnt be broadcasting it to all on here.
Dry clean you know why 8 weekly was able to spot this? Because he has experience that you dont. As in running a bigger business thats going to the next level. So on that 1 point alone we just found about another 70k in my business model over the year.
lee thats a down fall there for you i am affaid
,dont big up 8 weekly everyone knows hes a plo-nker ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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OK I know some on here who will think I am sucking up but I do not get all this hate for lee pryor, I read post after post about window cleaners how are sick that customers think that our work is for beer money and is not a proper job then you get some one like lee that is trying to help and show what can be achieved if you know how ::)roll ... I am a small fry just me and my sister that works in my business and I would kill to have the wage that lee gets, Love reading his post and seeing his youtube videos
Isn't this what the forum is all about to help one another :-\
Just because you disagree with somebody doesn't mean you hate them, Lee Pryor tends to pull out the hater card when he cant answer a question or is called out for being foolish.
Lets be clear that because I choose not to answer a question doesnt mean that I cant answer it.
Also in your other post further down you have made the usual VAT calculation mistake which I have pointed out before in other topics. You NEVER pay 20% because you always spent on something every month.
I think you forget ive been long past a single opperator for years and years. Clearly not a house of cards then. Many companies exist all over the uk that employ staff, I suppose the owners of those dont earn any money either.
What we have here from you and a few others is a simple case of attack something you dont understand. As I keep saying you have no experience past where you are now, I do and everything in between.
Lets put an end to this shal we.
I will finally tell you the number. I wont be breaking it down though.
If we turn over 1 million we will make 250K or 25%. Granted from a % point of view a one man band will be a lot more. As you grow so do your expenses thats just a fact of any business. Frankly I will be very happy with that for a job that by then I will be going into maybe 2 days a week! In the world of business 25% profit is considered very good. If you think what Ive done would have only been worth it for something like 500k a year then good for you, thats just silly. When I then consider my other half earns 150k a year I think we are doing quite well with a combined household income of 400k.
Now you can speculate all you want, Im the only one that has all the facts so why waste your time. In the end as long as your happy doing what you do and im happy doing what I do thats all that really matters isnt it.
More wibble, your VAT on one million would be £200k to offset even a small amount of this, let say £40k, you would need to be spending £200k a year on equipment, keep digging.
You’d be amazed how it adds up.
A tank of fuel a week in ten vans alone....
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I can at least manage to use the CIU quote function. Dork!
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yep, our fuel bill is about 4.5k a month
So theres 11k a year vat back
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OK I know some on here who will think I am sucking up but I do not get all this hate for lee pryor, I read post after post about window cleaners how are sick that customers think that our work is for beer money and is not a proper job then you get some one like lee that is trying to help and show what can be achieved if you know how ::)roll ... I am a small fry just me and my sister that works in my business and I would kill to have the wage that lee gets, Love reading his post and seeing his youtube videos
Isn't this what the forum is all about to help one another :-\
Just because you disagree with somebody doesn't mean you hate them, Lee Pryor tends to pull out the hater card when he cant answer a question or is called out for being foolish.
Lets be clear that because I choose not to answer a question doesnt mean that I cant answer it.
Also in your other post further down you have made the usual VAT calculation mistake which I have pointed out before in other topics. You NEVER pay 20% because you always spent on something every month.
I think you forget ive been long past a single opperator for years and years. Clearly not a house of cards then. Many companies exist all over the uk that employ staff, I suppose the owners of those dont earn any money either.
What we have here from you and a few others is a simple case of attack something you dont understand. As I keep saying you have no experience past where you are now, I do and everything in between.
Lets put an end to this shal we.
I will finally tell you the number. I wont be breaking it down though.
If we turn over 1 million we will make 250K or 25%. Granted from a % point of view a one man band will be a lot more. As you grow so do your expenses thats just a fact of any business. Frankly I will be very happy with that for a job that by then I will be going into maybe 2 days a week! In the world of business 25% profit is considered very good. If you think what Ive done would have only been worth it for something like 500k a year then good for you, thats just silly. When I then consider my other half earns 150k a year I think we are doing quite well with a combined household income of 400k.
Now you can speculate all you want, Im the only one that has all the facts so why waste your time. In the end as long as your happy doing what you do and im happy doing what I do thats all that really matters isnt it.
More wibble, your VAT on one million would be £200k to offset even a small amount of this, let say £40k, you would need to be spending £200k a year on equipment, keep digging.
You’d be amazed how it adds up.
A tank of fuel a week in ten vans alone....
I don't doubt it, thing is this make things worse not better,
With VAT employee costs and wages he's left with £29k per employee, if his vatable expenditure is £200k a year then he can claim back £40k or £4k per employee,
So you now have £33k per employee left, but when the Vatable expenditure is added this goes down to £13k per employee, and you still have to cover office staff wages and other expenses that aren't VAT deductible.
Obviously these are rough estimate's but it shows he wont getting anywhere near a 25% return.
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I don't quite get this obsession with percentage return; it should be obvious that the larger the organisation then usually the smaller percentage margin of profit once you get past the early growth years. Someone above mentioned Amazon and 4.1%. You get to a stage where you might "only" get 10%, but if your turnover is 10,000,000 then you have 1 million per annum profit.
To me the importance of work/business life is to have - buzzword phrase coming, sorry - is a "work/life balance". Now if I am able to have a sustainable profit of 200K a year from 1 million turnover after 5 years of building a business then I would be very pleased indeed.
If it is ticking over with a manager doing the lion's share of running and organising it, leaving me to direct the business in the right direction then wonderful.
I remember when Lee first promoted the idea of selling his house and ploughing the money into his business. Now if he had done what I might have done he'd still have his house which might have gone up in value - let's surmise 250K to 300K - and made his round the best one man band it could have been - let's surmise it went up from 30K a year to 60K a year and he has an extra 15K a year in his pocket and be employing the next person.
I'd be happy with that. But Lee is clearly building an empire.
It shows what can be done and even if part of me is a little disturbed (jealous?) by the fact that someone is doing what "I could have done" if I had been more courageous/focussed/obsessed then I can't understand the need to bring him down or bang on with "Ah, but ...ism".
I think it is great for this forum that in among the bread and butter threads of poles and reels and canvassing and employing we have something that piques my interest even further.
We have had those that come in "Lording it" and they soon show their feet of clay and overstep the mark and get banned or leave in a huff - I hope this doesn't happen here.
Handbags down please.
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its the green eyed monster with some of you im sure of it......luckily i dont suffer with this as i make a comfortable relatively stress free living and dont need to make any more money to have a contented happy life...my brother is a millionaire and lives a very jet set lifestyle at times but im not jealous/envious one bit....he s worked very hard for it and has lots of worries/hassle running a business employing over 50 people,premises,offices etc
once you reach a certain level of income you become content and happy with your lot......that certainly is the case with me....
i wish lee well in his business,we cant all be alan sugars.......(nor would we want to be when you realise the stress,hassle,sleepless nights and hard work that comes with it).....
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Its business talk Gold, members keep yapping about the lack of it on here, if Lee doesn't want his business results challenged then why does he post them ? Lee is where he is, the question is, looking at his percentages/ returns would it be worth it for others to do the same, in my opinion ( going by Lees own freely posted figures) there just isn't the return to justify the time and more importantly the money he has invested to do it.
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its the green eyed monster with some of you im sure of it......luckily i dont suffer with this as i make a comfortable relatively stress free living and dont need to make any more money to have a contented happy life...my brother is a millionaire and lives a very jet set lifestyle at times but im not jealous/envious one bit....he s worked very hard for it and has lots of worries/hassle running a business employing over 50 people,premises,offices etc
once you reach a certain level of income you become content and happy with your lot......that certainly is the case with me....
i wish lee well in his business,we cant all be alan sugars.......(nor would we want to be when you realise the stress,hassle,sleepless nights and hard work that comes with it).....
Don't be silly Dazmond we all suffer from the green eyed monster, its what drives us, I'm envious of 8 weekly's new motorhome but it doesn't mean I hate him for having it.
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Its business talk Gold, members keep yapping about the lack of it on here, if Lee doesn't want his business results challenged then why does he post them ? Lee is where he is, the question is, looking at his percentages/ returns would it be worth it for others to do the same, in my opinion ( going by Lees own freely posted figures) there just isn't the return to justify the time and more importantly the money he has invested to do it.
£150k a year not worth it? ;D
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Its business talk Gold, members keep yapping about the lack of it on here, if Lee doesn't want his business results challenged then why does he post them ? Lee is where he is, the question is, looking at his percentages/ returns would it be worth it for others to do the same, in my opinion ( going by Lees own freely posted figures) there just isn't the return to justify the time and more importantly the money he has invested to do it.
£150k a year not worth it? ;D
Look what he's spent on marketing alone to get it, £150k a year is fantastic but if you have spent a few million quid to get it then not so good.
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Its business talk Gold, members keep yapping about the lack of it on here, if Lee doesn't want his business results challenged then why does he post them ? Lee is where he is, the question is, looking at his percentages/ returns would it be worth it for others to do the same, in my opinion ( going by Lees own freely posted figures) there just isn't the return to justify the time and more importantly the money he has invested to do it.
£150k a year not worth it? ;D
Look what he's spent on marketing alone to get it, £150k a year is fantastic but if you have spent a few million quid to get it then not so good.
He hasn't spent a few million and additionally if he wanted he could just sit back. He's got all of the functions covered bar strategy and marketing. I reckon your figures are suspect mind you as he only posted some figures and incomes but let's say it's £150k. Stress free as someone else is dealing with all the cr@p from customers. I do think he could squeeze a bit more out of his workers mind you. I get more from mine but perhaps he gets less complaints on average?
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Its business talk Gold, members keep yapping about the lack of it on here, if Lee doesn't want his business results challenged then why does he post them ? Lee is where he is, the question is, looking at his percentages/ returns would it be worth it for others to do the same, in my opinion ( going by Lees own freely posted figures) there just isn't the return to justify the time and more importantly the money he has invested to do it.
What sort of return would justify it for you?
I may be wrong but I don’t think it’s necessarily all about the money, for some people. It’s about what it’s possible to achieve. Standing still is uncomfortable for some, where it’s easy for others.
How do you make a dull job interesting? Challenge yourself to grow it as large as you can.
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There are a lot duller jobs than ours.
I like being outdoors (most of the time)
Headphones on and chill out😎
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Its business talk Gold, members keep yapping about the lack of it on here, if Lee doesn't want his business results challenged then why does he post them ? Lee is where he is, the question is, looking at his percentages/ returns would it be worth it for others to do the same, in my opinion ( going by Lees own freely posted figures) there just isn't the return to justify the time and more importantly the money he has invested to do it.
£150k a year not worth it? ;D
Look what he's spent on marketing alone to get it, £150k a year is fantastic but if you have spent a few million quid to get it then not so good.
He hasn't spent a few million and additionally if he wanted he could just sit back. He's got all of the functions covered bar strategy and marketing. I reckon your figures are suspect mind you as he only posted some figures and incomes but let's say it's £150k. Stress free as someone else is dealing with all the cr@p from customers. I do think he could squeeze a bit more out of his workers mind you. I get more from mine but perhaps he gets less complaints on average?
Look back at his posts and you will find he's well into the second million for marketing alone, I think he said £100k this year alone,
No such thing as strees free, at the end of the day all the final says are still down to you.
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You lot need to get out and clean some windows. Too much time on hands for some ;D
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Iv a 36 hour commercial job to do over this weekend, so I will be doing very little until Friday. lol
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Ah I do love getting up to find lots of people talking about me haha. I think we will have some real fun this year with the youtube chanel.
8 weekly. yes its true to get more out of them. we have already started this and I feel our average this year will be 85k per head, certainly above 80k.
Its each to their own on here isnt is, suppose I earn 200k and only have to work lets say 2 days a week or maybe even less, I already dont work full time and when I am there I dont answer the phone or do any of the day to day stuff anymore. Its like the point when you get off the tools cleaning windows and become office based, Ive gone to the next level past that and am now off the office tools so to speak. Its not all about money, I am very lucky to be in a great relationship with my partner, so my work freedom alows me to spend more time with her. Im also a health and fitness fanatic so I have time for that.
frankly if some people here think around 200k and less than part time hours isnt worth it they must be mad but I suppose they are entitled to their opinion.
Im having thoughts about pushing past that point to be honest. depends how this year goes. I said recently on another thread I was almost done. I may change my mind about that. I think I could get to 20 vans and 1.7 million within 3 years if I really went all in. I wonder if the same people would think that 400-500k a year and less than part time was worth the effort and expense. haha Should make for some interesting videos trying to achieve that. Dont forget im 38 years old, pushing on for another few years to be at that point by 41-42 doesnt sound to bad.
In the mean time I only pay myself enough out of the business to live in my house drive a nice car and go on some nice holidays and weekend breaks with my partner (off to the new forest this weekend). The rest gets re invested and spent so I dont have to pay any corporation tax, why would you when it could be spent on growth. Im playing the long game.
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I don’t answer the phone either these days.
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Caught up again 😂😂
Someone mentioned that we all have the human tendency to be green eyed and yes everybody has that ability to do so and be envious at the same time.
A point to remember is that we all have the human tendency to be proud of what weve achieved and perhaps be boastful and why not! Im proud to say i own my own business and i have grown it to the point of where it is now. Im proud that ive been able to help ones out and spend time with them switching onto wfp and sharing some knowledge with them. Im proud that i use hot water for cleaning when others try to shoot you down for doing so.
Yes im proud that i was able to load up my small scudo van with an ibc tank all by myself. To pick it up and push like mad to make it fit in the back so I could take it home to set up.
Im proud that i was able to push as well as carry it a fraction into my rear garden. The reason im particular proud of that, is simple, i aint fit enough to do so again now as im no where near as fit as i was 3 or 4 yrs ago. Yet that will drive me to get back to the gym for some escape time and health benefit at the same time.
So back to Lee, why cant he be proud and yes rub it in your / my face that hes suceeding (not that i am saying he is, as ive said on another post,it depends on your own mind set as to how you take his posts) as many said hes a fool for doing so! Yet many cant be content with that and as usual have to come in like a bull in a china shop and pick the little points to try n find a weakness. Why??? Its obvious lee aint going to tell you all the information and yet many want to speculate this or that! Personnally im still learning as i go through life that when i speculate on something, by time im all caught up and at the end of that journey, im no where near the speculated answers i was so fixated at! Im in a completely different place.
So some may try and justify their reasons for being argumentative as do i at times. But really!? Is it worth it when all said n done. NO we dont need you tontry n point out errors or percieved errors, i believe all on here are fully grown a$$ men/women or non binary or other descript word (incase i aint being politically correct) to make our own mind up on these issues.
Mod note: Gold here! I'm proud to have gone in to your post and put paragraph breaks in so we can read it.
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Maybe sometimes Lee does come across as a bit arrogant or bragging. But he says he’s had to be to get where he is. Maybe he could be a bit more humble but then who am I to tell him? He’s been there, done it & worn the t-shirt. I think he’s done great. Very inspiring. Am I envious? - Hell yes!
Now go ahead & slag me off for being a brown noser! ;D
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Just to add, and I don’t know Lee personally but I wish we had a Lee Pryor q&a thread. I have loads of questions for him regarding which poles, which setups, one or two man etc. Why domestics etc etc. Not earnings questions. Practical help. Can’t afford £500 for a consultation though! :)
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Maybe sometimes Lee does come across as a bit arrogant or bragging. But he says he’s had to be to get where he is. Maybe he could be a bit more humble but then who am I to tell him? He’s been there, done it & worn the t-shirt. I think he’s done great. Very inspiring. Am I envious? - Hell yes!
Now go ahead & slag me off for being a brown noser! ;D
I would say more gullible and wet behind the ears than a brown noser, would you pay millions for a business that would just about give you a £150k a year return, off course you wouldn't, but when somebody mentions a million pound turnover you drool at the mouth without even looking or questioning what it actually means.
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I’m not gullible pal. I’ve employed one person full time in a separate van for the past 5 years. I’ve been a self employed window cleaner 27 years.
I don’t think anyone has a problem with you or anyone asking questions. Sometimes though you’ve just gotta accept the answers you’re given. Just let it go once you’ve made your point. You may not believe them, that’s up to you. There is a lot of bullpoop in this business, granted. You just seem intent on trying to p people off though.
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Maybe sometimes Lee does come across as a bit arrogant or bragging. But he says he’s had to be to get where he is. Maybe he could be a bit more humble but then who am I to tell him? He’s been there, done it & worn the t-shirt. I think he’s done great. Very inspiring. Am I envious? - Hell yes!
Now go ahead & slag me off for being a brown noser! ;D
I would say more gullible and wet behind the ears than a brown noser, would you pay millions for a business that would just about give you a £150k a year return, off course you wouldn't, but when somebody mentions a million pound turnover you drool at the mouth without even looking or questioning what it actually means.
£150k a year profit on under a million turnover is pretty brilliant. You're talking s4ite Sean.
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I’m not gullible pal. I’ve employed one person full time in a separate van for the past 5 years. I’ve been a self employed window cleaner 27 years.
I don’t think anyone has a problem with you or anyone asking questions. Sometimes though you’ve just gotta accept the answers you’re given. Just let it go once you’ve made your point. You may not believe them, that’s up to you. There is a lot of bullpoop in this business, granted. You just seem intent on trying to p people off though.
If the answers make sense you have to accept them, there's a lot of bullpoop in this business because when people challenge it they get called haters or trouble makers, you cant have it both ways.
I'm not trying to p you off but if you are going to make bold statements about Lee Pryor or anybody else at least look into what they have actually done and dare to question it.
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Im a pretty laid back type of guy or atleast i try to be.
A mate of mine employed two additional chaps when i left off from helping him. 2 additional chaps to cover the work that me n him did and not due to any additional work as he yet had to gain more work. (Yes we were and still are friends, so this i know).
Ive also employed and trained many up. My mate used to stress about getting the money in inorder to pay the wages etc. Now for me, thats stress i can do without. On one hand you can eventually expand and so your take home becomes bigger but on the other, you gain bigger bills n more stress. For me, thats not worth it at this point in my life. For others it is and thats absolutely fine and dandy.
For lee, hes got an empire and no doubt well known in his area. So putting income to one side, his marketing and amount of vans on the road, seen by the general public must do his name well. Obviously the bigger you get, the bigger the bills and stresses increase. HOWEVER, to balance that out, Lee doesnt have to work very hard at this point and certainly not on the glass and his take home pay is pretty impressive. Now if you put yourself in lees shoes, you trully wouldnt feel that its not worth it so dont offer silly suggestions and counter argue when this is questioned.
As far as the consultation fee is concerned, this makes me laugh more. The amount of pricing arguements on here is ridiculous ;D and many have said its not worth getting out of bed for that much bla bla bla 😂 and then we call into question how much money should be charged for information that someone has gained and you can clearly see has worked 😂😂 At the same time as shooting down ones for possibly helping people out who might become a competitor. Sometimes i dont understand peoples logic sometimes.
Yes there may be better ways in putting some information accross but arent we all big enough to take some knocks on the chin n suck it up.
Haha ive been told to get thicker skin, come on guys, swallow your own advice sometimes hey
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Maybe sometimes Lee does come across as a bit arrogant or bragging. But he says he’s had to be to get where he is. Maybe he could be a bit more humble but then who am I to tell him? He’s been there, done it & worn the t-shirt. I think he’s done great. Very inspiring. Am I envious? - Hell yes!
Now go ahead & slag me off for being a brown noser! ;D
I would say more gullible and wet behind the ears than a brown noser, would you pay millions for a business that would just about give you a £150k a year return, off course you wouldn't, but when somebody mentions a million pound turnover you drool at the mouth without even looking or questioning what it actually means.
£150k a year profit on under a million turnover is pretty brilliant. You're talking s4ite Sean.
Simon look a this reply from 8 weekly, on first look you would say it makes sense but when you do a bit of digging its just stupid.
When lee hits the one million mark he will have 12 men on the glass and two office staff all relying on £150k a year profit to keep the company in the black, also remember that Lee has to be paid from this and pay back all the marketing and investments before that £150k actually becomes real profit, like I said its a house of cards.
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Maybe sometimes Lee does come across as a bit arrogant or bragging. But he says he’s had to be to get where he is. Maybe he could be a bit more humble but then who am I to tell him? He’s been there, done it & worn the t-shirt. I think he’s done great. Very inspiring. Am I envious? - Hell yes!
Now go ahead & slag me off for being a brown noser! ;D
I would say more gullible and wet behind the ears than a brown noser, would you pay millions for a business that would just about give you a £150k a year return, off course you wouldn't, but when somebody mentions a million pound turnover you drool at the mouth without even looking or questioning what it actually means.
£150k a year profit on under a million turnover is pretty brilliant. You're talking s4ite Sean.
When you put it that way 8 weekly, it made me think.
I've probably earned between 750,00 to 1mill gross, in total from years window cleaning
If my net was 150 grand I'd be gutted😭😭😭
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More popcorn anyone?
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Maybe sometimes Lee does come across as a bit arrogant or bragging. But he says he’s had to be to get where he is. Maybe he could be a bit more humble but then who am I to tell him? He’s been there, done it & worn the t-shirt. I think he’s done great. Very inspiring. Am I envious? - Hell yes!
Now go ahead & slag me off for being a brown noser! ;D
I would say more gullible and wet behind the ears than a brown noser, would you pay millions for a business that would just about give you a £150k a year return, off course you wouldn't, but when somebody mentions a million pound turnover you drool at the mouth without even looking or questioning what it actually means.
£150k a year profit on under a million turnover is pretty brilliant. You're talking s4ite Sean.
When you put it that way 8 weekly, it made me think.
I've probably earned between 750,00 to 1mill gross, in total from years window cleaning
If my net was 150 grand I'd be gutted😭😭😭
But you have had to go out and clean windows for what 10 years for that? Lee's not cleaned a window and earned it in one year! What is wrong with people?? In your 10 years Lee would pocket £1.5m - £2.0m profit if he does nothing. Or on the basis a business is worth 5 years profit he could sell it for £1m.
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I don’t know why you bother Steve.
Although I’ve flogged shedloads of popcorn. Keep it up, I’m off to Dubai on the mark-up alone.
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I don’t know why you bother Steve.
Although I’ve flogged shedloads of popcorn. Keep it up, I’m off to Dubai on the mark-up alone.
He bothers because he like likes to debate, the better question is why do you ?
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I don’t know why you bother Steve.
Although I’ve flogged shedloads of popcorn. Keep it up, I’m off to Dubai on the mark-up alone.
Say hi to Daz for me. ;D
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I don’t know why you bother Steve.
Although I’ve flogged shedloads of popcorn. Keep it up, I’m off to Dubai on the mark-up alone.
Say hi to Daz for me. ;D
Daz is in Mexico the Dubai for sole traders. lol
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Maybe sometimes Lee does come across as a bit arrogant or bragging. But he says he’s had to be to get where he is. Maybe he could be a bit more humble but then who am I to tell him? He’s been there, done it & worn the t-shirt. I think he’s done great. Very inspiring. Am I envious? - Hell yes!
Now go ahead & slag me off for being a brown noser! ;D
I would say more gullible and wet behind the ears than a brown noser, would you pay millions for a business that would just about give you a £150k a year return, off course you wouldn't, but when somebody mentions a million pound turnover you drool at the mouth without even looking or questioning what it actually means.
£150k a year profit on under a million turnover is pretty brilliant. You're talking s4ite Sean.
Simon look a this reply from 8 weekly, on first look you would say it makes sense but when you do a bit of digging its just stupid.
When lee hits the one million mark he will have 12 men on the glass and two office staff all relying on £150k a year profit to keep the company in the black, also remember that Lee has to be paid from this and pay back all the marketing and investments before that £150k actually becomes real profit, like I said its a house of cards.
Time will tell I guess...
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Maybe sometimes Lee does come across as a bit arrogant or bragging. But he says he’s had to be to get where he is. Maybe he could be a bit more humble but then who am I to tell him? He’s been there, done it & worn the t-shirt. I think he’s done great. Very inspiring. Am I envious? - Hell yes!
Now go ahead & slag me off for being a brown noser! ;D
I would say more gullible and wet behind the ears than a brown noser, would you pay millions for a business that would just about give you a £150k a year return, off course you wouldn't, but when somebody mentions a million pound turnover you drool at the mouth without even looking or questioning what it actually means.
£150k a year profit on under a million turnover is pretty brilliant. You're talking s4ite Sean.
Simon look a this reply from 8 weekly, on first look you would say it makes sense but when you do a bit of digging its just stupid.
When lee hits the one million mark he will have 12 men on the glass and two office staff all relying on £150k a year profit to keep the company in the black, also remember that Lee has to be paid from this and pay back all the marketing and investments before that £150k actually becomes real profit, like I said its a house of cards.
Ok fine...…. here we go then.
£1millon turnover
£150k vat
£384k 12 cleaners (includes holiday pay NI ect)
£45k 2 office staff
£39k van finance
£30k premises rent and bills
£40k diesel
£12k vehicle maintenance
£12k consumables - poles resin brushes ect ect
£2.5k accountant fees
£30k marketing (to maintain NOT grow)
£255,500.00 gross profit
£48,545 corporation tax at 19%
£206,955.00 Net profit (mine!!!)
Taken as a divided I get a take home pay after tax of £145,304.00 or £12,108.66 a month...……..Almost without needing to work. Anyone thinks that's no good better look at themselves first.
A for the money I invested from my house (nearly 200k) I can take that back without paying any tax as it was a loan to my company from me. I currently only pay myself £50k PAYE to live month to month, The rest is re spent re invested. When I achieve the size I want I will take my loan back and use that for the deposit of the next house.
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Yes im proud that i was able to load up my small scudo van with an ibc tank all by myself. To pick it up and push like mad to make it fit in the back so I could take it home to set up.
Im proud that i was able to push as well as carry it a fraction into my rear garden. The reason im particular proud of that, is simple, i aint fit enough to do so again now as im no where near as fit as i was 3 or 4 yrs ago. Yet that will drive me to get back to the gym for some escape time and health benefit at the same time.
You should have emptied it first.
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Maybe sometimes Lee does come across as a bit arrogant or bragging. But he says he’s had to be to get where he is. Maybe he could be a bit more humble but then who am I to tell him? He’s been there, done it & worn the t-shirt. I think he’s done great. Very inspiring. Am I envious? - Hell yes!
Now go ahead & slag me off for being a brown noser! ;D
I would say more gullible and wet behind the ears than a brown noser, would you pay millions for a business that would just about give you a £150k a year return, off course you wouldn't, but when somebody mentions a million pound turnover you drool at the mouth without even looking or questioning what it actually means.
£150k a year profit on under a million turnover is pretty brilliant. You're talking s4ite Sean.
When you put it that way 8 weekly, it made me think.
I've probably earned between 750,00 to 1mill gross, in total from years window cleaning
If my net was 150 grand I'd be gutted😭😭😭
But you have had to go out and clean windows for what 10 years for that? Lee's not cleaned a window and earned it in one year! What is wrong with people?? In your 10 years Lee would pocket £1.5m - £2.0m profit if he does nothing. Or on the basis a business is worth 5 years profit he could sell it for £1m.
Of course I totally get what you say there.
I was being naughty again
It's all down to the type of person you are and what you are prepared to sacrifice for you're business.
Guess I'm just not that sort of person.
Pretty easily satisfied to be honest.
I've got enough, and I'm not prepared to work any harder to get more.
Glad I'm helping with the popcorn business though Slacky.
Surprised this thread hasn't been locked already.
It's been quite good fun while it's lasted hasn't it😊
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Think theres more to be added, reckon theres another 2 more pages of posts to come yet.
Might get some popcorn myself now and just watch from the side lines
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its the green eyed monster with some of you im sure of it......luckily i dont suffer with this as i make a comfortable relatively stress free living and dont need to make any more money to have a contented happy life...my brother is a millionaire and lives a very jet set lifestyle at times but im not jealous/envious one bit....he s worked very hard for it and has lots of worries/hassle running a business employing over 50 people,premises,offices etc
once you reach a certain level of income you become content and happy with your lot......that certainly is the case with me....
i wish lee well in his business,we cant all be alan sugars.......(nor would we want to be when you realise the stress,hassle,sleepless nights and hard work that comes with it).....
Don't be silly Dazmond we all suffer from the green eyed monster, its what drives us, I'm envious of 8 weekly's new motorhome but it doesn't mean I hate him for having it.
no we dont.....speak for yourself sean......i cant think of anything worse than owning a motorhome! :D ;D ;D
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Come off it Daz, a motor home is light years better than an electric reel and a diesel heater😂😂😂
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its the green eyed monster with some of you im sure of it......luckily i dont suffer with this as i make a comfortable relatively stress free living and dont need to make any more money to have a contented happy life...my brother is a millionaire and lives a very jet set lifestyle at times but im not jealous/envious one bit....he s worked very hard for it and has lots of worries/hassle running a business employing over 50 people,premises,offices etc
once you reach a certain level of income you become content and happy with your lot......that certainly is the case with me....
i wish lee well in his business,we cant all be alan sugars.......(nor would we want to be when you realise the stress,hassle,sleepless nights and hard work that comes with it).....
Don't be silly Dazmond we all suffer from the green eyed monster, its what drives us, I'm envious of 8 weekly's new motorhome but it doesn't mean I hate him for having it.
no we dont.....speak for yourself sean......i cant think of anything worse than owning a motorhome! :D ;D ;D
Needles in your eyes? ;)
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A couple of points ... three actually.
1. Nathan. Please use paragraph breaks.
2. I can think of something worse than a motorhome. My caravan.
3. Don't tell Tosh about this thread; if he joins in it will be longer than the Brexit one.
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Funny how the speculating and saying im full of BS and wibble has stoped since my figure breakdown post. Maybe not BS after all then. Strange that I know my numbers better than someone that doesn't even know me. ha!
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Funny how the speculating and saying im full of BS and wibble has stoped since my figure breakdown post. Maybe not BS after all then. Strange that I know my numbers better than someone that doesn't even know me. ha!
Nonsense you've left a few things off your list, insurances, water charges, and your VAT and vehicle costs are a bit on the low side, there's easily another £50k on those outgoings, so £150k isn't far off the mark.
Plus I see you have also ignored the money already invested in marketing and so forth to get you to the level you are at now, this also has to be repayed before you can even say you are in profit.
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yep, our fuel bill is about 4.5k a month
So theres 11k a year vat back
If your fuel bill is £4.5k a month how does it end up at £40k a year ? that another £14k to add to your costs list.
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Funny how the speculating and saying im full of BS and wibble has stoped since my figure breakdown post. Maybe not BS after all then. Strange that I know my numbers better than someone that doesn't even know me. ha!
Come on , you know by now how it works here. We will tell you what you earn , not what you tell us. And if you wanna know anything else about yourself, just ask here................... ;D
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Ah
I will give you that I left out insurance. £14k a year. To be clear thats all in vans, public, employers ect.
water bill is in the yard rent and bills section so was included in my figures. I told you I own 4 of our vans outright so that was an exact figure as given. Furthermore I alow £1000 a year per van for service and maintenance, theres a good chance it wont come to that much. Theres also a very good chance I wont spend £1000 a month on consumables so those 2 points balance out my forgetting the insurance.
Its always hard to give exact figures, I always calculate on either probable case or worst case when I work things out never best case scenario.
That said even if expenses are higher you just pay less corporation tax, vat and less personal tax so my month to month takehome doesnt move much.
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yep, our fuel bill is about 4.5k a month
So theres 11k a year vat back
If your fuel bill is £4.5k a month how does it end up at £40k a year ? that another £14k to add to your costs list.
vat back plus its not quite that much every month
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Funny how the speculating and saying im full of BS and wibble has stoped since my figure breakdown post. Maybe not BS after all then. Strange that I know my numbers better than someone that doesn't even know me. ha!
Come on , you know by now how it works here. We will tell you what you earn , not what you tell us. And if you wanna know anything else about yourself, just ask here................... ;D
No he tells us what he earns, problem is he uses the same calculator as Nathan 2+2=5 when its profit and 2+2=3 for costs. lol
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Dry Clean you are being a bit unfair tbh.
I don't know what you have against Lee, or the reason why you feel compelled to keep putting him down, but surely you have a life, and a business of your own to run.
Just saying like..
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yep, our fuel bill is about 4.5k a month
So theres 11k a year vat back
If your fuel bill is £4.5k a month how does it end up at £40k a year ? that another £14k to add to your costs list.
vat back plus its not quite that much every month
Problem is on your list you have already allowed for the VAT £150 which is £50k vat back, you cant allow for this twice.
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Dry Clean you are being a bit unfair tbh.
I don't know what you have against Lee, or the reason why you feel compelled to keep putting him down, but surely you have a life, and a business of your own to run.
Just saying like..
I don't have anything against Lee, truth is I actually admire his push and work ethic, Its actually a shock to me that there is so little profit to be had especially in a well priced area, I don't think anybody could have done it better.
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Funny how the speculating and saying im full of BS and wibble has stoped since my figure breakdown post. Maybe not BS after all then. Strange that I know my numbers better than someone that doesn't even know me. ha!
Nonsense you've left a few things off your list, insurances, water charges, and your VAT and vehicle costs are a bit on the low side, there's easily another £50k on those outgoings, so £150k isn't far off the mark.
Plus I see you have also ignored the money already invested in marketing and so forth to get you to the level you are at now, this also has to be repayed before you can even say you are in profit.
Not strictly true, the amount invested is exactly that an investment, it is simply an exchange of cash for tangible and intangible assets, no different to investing in equities.
The investment could be realised by selling the tangible or intangible assets at anytime.
In the meantime it's throwing off a return which I guess is considerably higher than a savings account based on original investment or even market value.
I'd say a job well done.
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Funny how the speculating and saying im full of BS and wibble has stoped since my figure breakdown post. Maybe not BS after all then. Strange that I know my numbers better than someone that doesn't even know me. ha!
You could write anything on here, it's your overwhelming desire to convince others of your success that makes "me" question the whole truth of what you spout. Like I said before, it all seems a bit desperate- which would normally be unnecessary for a person in your claimed position.
I'll be incredibly impressed though in 4/5 years time if you sustain this and the size of your head hasn't failed you!👍
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Funny how the speculating and saying im full of BS and wibble has stoped since my figure breakdown post. Maybe not BS after all then. Strange that I know my numbers better than someone that doesn't even know me. ha!
You could write anything on here, it's your overwhelming desire to convince others of your success that makes "me" question the whole truth of what you spout. Like I said before, it all seems a bit desperate- which would normally be unnecessary for a person in your claimed position.
I'll be incredibly impressed though in 4/5 years time if you sustain this and the size of your head hasn't failed you!👍
What you have said there makes me think of a point made earlier.
Depending on your mindset and attitude you will take things I say differently to someone else. I never said I had an overwhelming desire to convince people of my success, you said that. Thats what you took from things I posted, someone else reading the very same post might be inspired because they have a different mind set to you.
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It's not what is said, but what is manifestly evident and observed.
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Dry Clean you are being a bit unfair tbh.
I don't know what you have against Lee, or the reason why you feel compelled to keep putting him down, but surely you have a life, and a business of your own to run.
Just saying like..
He’s just in the wind up now.
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It's not what is said, but what is manifestly evident and observed.
According to you. My point exactly. Not everyone here shares your opinion yet they have read the same things you have. Why?Different mind set, different take on whats written.
You have a defeatest and negative mindset so you draw certain conclusions and opinions. Someone else with a posetive mind, ambition and the desire to grow will see something else in what I write.
What will be different in your business in 12 months from now? I will bet nothing, you will float along month to month the same as you are now. If thats what you want then ok, I dont mind and I certainly dont hate on you for it. If thats what makes you happy then great.
Dont hate on me for wanting to be more. Doesnt make me wrong for being different to you.
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its not hard to find out about lees business,just pay a little money and your find out ;)
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its not hard to find out about lees business,just pay a little money and your find out ;)
If you're alluding to Companies House then its free, not sure what the winks for ?
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It's not what is said, but what is manifestly evident and observed.
According to you. My point exactly. Not everyone here shares your opinion yet they have read the same things you have. Why?Different mind set, different take on whats written.
You have a defeatest and negative mindset so you draw certain conclusions and opinions. Someone else with a posetive mind, ambition and the desire to grow will see something else in what I write.
What will be different in your business in 12 months from now? I will bet nothing, you will float along month to month the same as you are now. If thats what you want then ok, I dont mind and I certainly dont hate on you for it. If thats what makes you happy then great.
Dont hate on me for wanting to be more. Doesnt make me wrong for being different to you.
The difference is, you know nothing of me as I have no desire to try and impress a bunch of strangers. On the other hand, the whole world knows the entire financial situation of your business and the day to day running of your operation. They also know what car you drive, it's spec' and how much it cost, the expensive watch you wear, where and when you holiday- and for how long, even now your partner's salary etc etc. To what does this benefit?- other than to exercise the desire for attention and a constant requirement to have approval/acknowledgment/smoke blown up your bum from absolute strangers in cyberland?
"Manifestly evident and observed"
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It's not what is said, but what is manifestly evident and observed.
According to you. My point exactly. Not everyone here shares your opinion yet they have read the same things you have. Why?Different mind set, different take on whats written.
You have a defeatest and negative mindset so you draw certain conclusions and opinions. Someone else with a posetive mind, ambition and the desire to grow will see something else in what I write.
What will be different in your business in 12 months from now? I will bet nothing, you will float along month to month the same as you are now. If thats what you want then ok, I dont mind and I certainly dont hate on you for it. If thats what makes you happy then great.
Dont hate on me for wanting to be more. Doesnt make me wrong for being different to you.
The difference is, you know nothing of me as I have no desire to try and impress a bunch of strangers. On the other hand, the whole world knows the entire financial situation of your business and the day to day running of your operation. They also know what car you drive, it's spec' and how much it cost, the expensive watch you wear, where and when you holiday- and for how long, even now your partner's salary etc etc. To what does this benefit?- other than to exercise the desire for attention and a constant requirement to have approval/acknowledgment/smoke blown up your bum from absolute strangers in cyberland?
"Manifestly evident and observed"
we dont know what colour his underpants are !!!!!!
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It's not what is said, but what is manifestly evident and observed.
According to you. My point exactly. Not everyone here shares your opinion yet they have read the same things you have. Why?Different mind set, different take on whats written.
You have a defeatest and negative mindset so you draw certain conclusions and opinions. Someone else with a posetive mind, ambition and the desire to grow will see something else in what I write.
What will be different in your business in 12 months from now? I will bet nothing, you will float along month to month the same as you are now. If thats what you want then ok, I dont mind and I certainly dont hate on you for it. If thats what makes you happy then great.
Dont hate on me for wanting to be more. Doesnt make me wrong for being different to you.
The difference is, you know nothing of me as I have no desire to try and impress a bunch of strangers. On the other hand, the whole world knows the entire financial situation of your business and the day to day running of your operation. They also know what car you drive, it's spec' and how much it cost, the expensive watch you wear, where and when you holiday- and for how long, even now your partner's salary etc etc. To what does this benefit?- other than to exercise the desire for attention and a constant requirement to have approval/acknowledgment/smoke blown up your bum from absolute strangers in cyberland?
"Manifestly evident and observed"
Im glad you have been paying attention. Keep that up and you might learn something that you can apply to your business to help you move forward.
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I think someone's enjoying the attention.