Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Jay Le Huray on March 13, 2019, 08:05:27 am
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why is it that every time Lee starts a thread it nearly always gets locked due to abuse by fellow members of this forum?
personally I enjoy reading his threads and if I were20 years younger (now 65) I would most likely take on his attitude to the business, get a few tips from him and expand my business big time.
so for crying out load leave the guy alone and let him share his experiences, a lot of people can learn from it
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I don't understand it either tbh. I think the majority of negative posters on this forum are simply unable to grasp or understand that this is fundamentally a business.
I get alot of abuse about my next date system, its funny because oddbods also operate like that, and they run a very slick operation. My rounds operate like clockwork, everyone is happy with my regularity and they appreciate the date system, it sets me apart from the knuckle dragging lazy, ill decide if i will work today bunch.
The window cleaning game is hard enough on your mental health, with the appalling weather, and customers attitudes sometimes, you'd have thought that a forun would be a good way to vent, but all you get is abuse.
Yes i find window cleaning boring, yes i struggle with the weather, and sometimes my outlook on things, but i keep pressing on, and im trying to just get on with it and know that my goal of getting another van and employee is getting closer and closer.
Its taking longer than i expected though. I have to admit the weather this month, and the saturated market, this morning i saw no less than 7 window cleaning vans..
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Lee "Loctite" Pryor..... the thread-lock kid!😄😄
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Like Lee, we also operate a multi van setup, and I must say that I do enjoy reading his posts, as an experienced operator, I cannot find fault with anything I have read in his posts/advice.He should not have to endure any form of harasament from what can only be best described as keyboard warriors. The purpose of these forums, surely should be for the sharing of positive information between like minded individuals and in doing so, create a learning trail for newcomers to the trade, who come here seeking advice.I have looked on with amusement as threads have been hijacked and filled with diatribe by individuals with a clear lack of any business acumen or real experience.I agree with another poster that this type of behaviour can be off putting to more experienced members who simply cannot be bothered with the drama, this is a loss to the community.Lee is spot on when he says that he should be able to ban/block nay sayers from his threads,he is also on the money when he says that moderators should probably do a bit more moderating.
Any forum on any topic will have it fair share of participants, who just like the sound of their own voice this is fair enough, but when an informative post is closed due to their actions, it's time to have a re-think.
I wonder what these keyboard warriors would have to say if they were stood in front of you looking eye to eye, that is if you could get them to look you in the eye and not your shoulder, chest, knees, boots, the sky etc.
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Thank you Dave.
Dave is clearly another example of someone with the potential to offer a lot here and perhaps doesnt as he sees whats happening to others that do.
Makes for a great forum doesnt it.
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From another thread ... it applies here and elsewhere.
A "heads up" now.
I'm off to shine some glass - when I come back I shall look at the forum as is my wont - if I find that this thread has turned into a Lee Pryor/Dry Clean bashing each other with the usual suspects chiming in then it will be locked and bans meted out. Protests of "he is worse than me" or "he started it" will not wash.
That is if other mods or Forum admin haven't beaten me to it.
Be nice folks - we can all offer a lot to each other or we can destroy camaraderie by getting into an insulting and abusive pattern of behaviour.
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If everybody likes you , your not doing very well ;-) people spout such anger over the internet on people they have never met
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Can we have a "dislike" button please...
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Like Lee, we also operate a multi van setup, and I must say that I do enjoy reading his posts, as an experienced operator, I cannot find fault with anything I have read in his posts/advice.He should not have to endure any form of harasament from what can only be best described as keyboard warriors. The purpose of these forums, surely should be for the sharing of positive information between like minded individuals and in doing so, create a learning trail for newcomers to the trade, who come here seeking advice.I have looked on with amusement as threads have been hijacked and filled with diatribe by individuals with a clear lack of any business acumen or real experience.I agree with another poster that this type of behaviour can be off putting to more experienced members who simply cannot be bothered with the drama, this is a loss to the community.Lee is spot on when he says that he should be able to ban/block nay sayers from his threads,he is also on the money when he says that moderators should probably do a bit more moderating.
Any forum on any topic will have it fair share of participants, who just like the sound of their own voice this is fair enough, but when an informative post is closed due to their actions, it's time to have a re-think.
I wonder what these keyboard warriors would have to say if they were stood in front of you looking eye to eye, that is if you could get them to look you in the eye and not your shoulder, chest, knees, boots, the sky etc.
I think the way some people come on hear acting like the big I am gets people’s backs up , I don’t have any interest in expanding my buisness I have three vans and want to cut back not build , the Lee Pryor s of this world are in the minority , not many could or want to do what he has done , and he has done very well but I think he comes over as my way is the only way , maybe he doesn’t mean to but that’s how it comes over to me a lot of the time , I read lees threads ,and sometimes I agree with what he sais sometimes I don’t that doesn’t make him right or me wrong or the other way round , we are all successful in what we do with our own buisness weather we turn over a few hundred a month or tens of thousands , is irrelevant we all do what we want and need , he appears to be trying to be saying see me in my 70k Bmw , a lot of us on hear have expensive flash cars but don’t flaunt it or make out that we are better than others who don’t have them . The type of buisness that Lee has built up and continues to build won’t apply to 99% of us on hear so I think what he posts is of very little interest to most on this forum ,I think it would be better posted on a forum of how to build a successful buisness learn from me . I don’t think the comments made by some have been right by a long chalk but I do t think it’s jealousy it’s just they don’t agree with his way of doing things , but that’s up to each and everyone of us to run our buisness as we want to run them that’s why we set up our own buisness surely? I personaly think Lee has taken the bait cast out by some on hear posting earnings etc I think he’s very foolish doing that anyone can read theses posts and that includes potential or existing customers I don’t think some of what has been posted would go down to well .
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To be honest I'm starting to agree with the op about having a separate look at me section where you cant be challenged or criticised, this would then keep the window cleaning section free for those who can handle it, as I keep saying if you want to talk business you have to be able to talk about it warts and all and just because somebody has x amounts of vans or whatever doesn't mean they got there by the best road possible.
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Depends what your definition of ‘best road possible’ is.
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Depends what your definition of ‘best road possible’ is.
Exactly, but just because my opinion of the best road may differ from yours doesn't mean I'm jealous of you,hate you or it shouldn't be heard.
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Surely, if you have not travelled 'the road' you wont know what is best. Just a thought. ;D
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Well you certainty dont want to be sitting on the m25
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Surely, if you have not travelled 'the road' you wont know what is best. Just a thought. ;D
Most business advisors wont have travelled the road, but it ( Im trying to be polite as I want to make a genuine point) would be foolish to think that just because you are further down the road the ones coming behind you aren't or dont know how to do it better.
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Surely, if you have not travelled 'the road' you wont know what is best. Just a thought. ;D
Most business advisors wont have travelled the road, but it ( Im trying to be polite as I want to make a genuine point) would be foolish to think that just because you are further down the road the ones coming behind you aren't or dont know how to do it better.
This point i totally agree with.
Often ones say " i have x years of experience" not just in this tade but in all walks of life. Yet that doesnt always translate as doing it right for x amount of years.
In addition if everyone ttavelled the same route, than innovation would be lost. Its via diverting and finding whats best for yourself that true advancement can be made.
I love listening to radio1 whilst working and i enjoy alot of songs and i think the person singing their own song is amazing, as they are the ones who have wrote it and experimented with it and their the ones who have got several number ones. Then comes the "live lounge" and another singer puts their spin/take on it and take the song to a conpletely different level!
Just saying
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Depends what your definition of ‘best road possible’ is.
Exactly, but just because my opinion of the best road may differ from yours doesn't mean I'm jealous of you,hate you or it shouldn't be heard.
However if the way express your difference of opinion with aggression and rudeness it's hard to escape jumping to the conclusion that you're jealous or harbour a personal animosity.
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Surely, if you have not travelled 'the road' you wont know what is best. Just a thought. ;D
Most business advisors wont have travelled the road, but it ( Im trying to be polite as I want to make a genuine point) would be foolish to think that just because you are further down the road the ones coming behind you aren't or dont know how to do it better.
That doesn't mean they dont know better either. They could be vastly better 'qualified' and equipped/able to undertake business decisions and carry them out efficiently, effectively and productively. It could be one reason why one person is behind and they're not.
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Depends what your definition of ‘best road possible’ is.
Exactly, but just because my opinion of the best road may differ from yours doesn't mean I'm jealous of you,hate you or it shouldn't be heard.
However if the way express your difference of opinion with aggression and rudeness it's hard to escape jumping to the conclusion that you're jealous or harbour a personal animosity.
He does, and he'll deny it.
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Depends what your definition of ‘best road possible’ is.
Exactly, but just because my opinion of the best road may differ from yours doesn't mean I'm jealous of you,hate you or it shouldn't be heard.
However if the way express your difference of opinion with aggression and rudeness it's hard to escape jumping to the conclusion that you're jealous or harbour a personal animosity.
I called Lee a idiot on the same day that you called me, Tosh and one other member on here the same, infect if you go back and look at the locked thread it was your aggression more than mine that got it locked, I have never threatened Lee and when it comes to personal attacks its never been anything much worse than calling him an idiot, as I said before you need to take a good look in the mirror before accusing anybody on here of bad behaviour.
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Like I said earlier in this thread. I'm not interested in "who started it".
Sadly Dry Clean, although you contribute to this forum you have what is perceived by some on the forum a persistent habit of rudeness and abuse.
Take a week off and reflect.
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why is it that every time Lee starts a thread it nearly always gets locked due to abuse by fellow members of this forum?
personally I enjoy reading his threads and if I were20 years younger (now 65) I would most likely take on his attitude to the business, get a few tips from him and expand my business big time.
so for crying out load leave the guy alone and let him share his experiences, a lot of people can learn from it
Maybe one reason Lee antagonises people is quotes like this "Your a one man band that really hasnt achieved anything,",
This is a direct quote from Lee to Dry Clean (who admittedly does seem quite a contentious person) on another thread.
Does Lee think that if you're a one man band we are useless in life in general?
There are a lot more things to achieve in our existence here on earth than building up a big business empire.
Some of these achievements are also a lot more worthwhile, not all happiness comes from wealth, material things / holidays etc
See I can criticize without being abusive😊
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why is it that every time Lee starts a thread it nearly always gets locked due to abuse by fellow members of this forum?
personally I enjoy reading his threads and if I were20 years younger (now 65) I would most likely take on his attitude to the business, get a few tips from him and expand my business big time.
so for crying out load leave the guy alone and let him share his experiences, a lot of people can learn from it
Maybe one reason Lee antagonises people is quotes like this "Your a one man band that really hasnt achieved anything,",
This is a direct quote from Lee to Dry Clean (who admittedly does seem quite a contentious person) on another thread.
Does Lee think that if you're a one man band we are useless in life in general?
There are a lot more things to achieve in our existence here on earth than building up a big business empire.
Some of these achievements are also a lot more worthwhile, not all happiness comes from wealth, material things / holidays etc
See I can criticize without being abusive😊
Good post and essentially correct.
Lee has clearly stated numerous times that the reason he has gone as far as he has is to have a bigger house, better car, fine holidays etc etc.
Lee's idea of achievement in life is material things and to be bigger, better and richer then the next guy. And boy does he like to show it off, which is the thing that annoys the more humble folk on here who are happy in life, happy with what their earning, happy with their achievements and don't feel the need to seek any recognition for said achievements.
The thing that strikes me the most about Lee's posts is that he often states how 'he's trying to inspire others' so they can achieve what he has. Yet when others have mentioned the large size or success of theirs, or others businesses, Lee is extremely quick to question their success or find some kind of fault with their assessment.
Why would someone who wants to be the biggest and best, try to encourage others to grow to be just as big, potentially knocking him off his perch?
It just doesn't make sense, it's like Tesco offering advice to Aldi so Aldi can compete with them to be the biggest supermarket.
Big companies or even big 'personalities' don't like competition, fact.
So the claim that he shares his success to 'inspire' others just doesn't hold any validity for me whatsoever.
Just to add, I just read Lee's goodbye message and it summed up what I said perfectly. In fact Lee was writing his goodbye message at the exact moment I was typing my post lol.
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why is it that every time Lee starts a thread it nearly always gets locked due to abuse by fellow members of this forum?
personally I enjoy reading his threads and if I were20 years younger (now 65) I would most likely take on his attitude to the business, get a few tips from him and expand my business big time.
so for crying out load leave the guy alone and let him share his experiences, a lot of people can learn from it
Maybe one reason Lee antagonises people is quotes like this "Your a one man band that really hasnt achieved anything,",
This is a direct quote from Lee to Dry Clean (who admittedly does seem quite a contentious person) on another thread.
Does Lee think that if you're a one man band we are useless in life in general?
There are a lot more things to achieve in our existence here on earth than building up a big business empire.
Some of these achievements are also a lot more worthwhile, not all happiness comes from wealth, material things / holidays etc
See I can criticize without being abusive😊
If your going to quote me perhaps you should also quote me where on many many occasions I have said I have just as much respect for one man bands as a bigger company and I was a one man band for many years myself Go dig that up and quote me there.
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Hi Guys,
before it gets out hand again, i'm sorry but it's hardly like Tesco offering advice to Aldi, that would be ludicrous as they all operate in the same area. I do think this is not the case, sometimes in business you can be so busy building up what you want that it can actually become lonely and sharing your experiences with like minded members makes it feel less so. This may not be the case here, but there's always a bigger picture and we won't have continued negative posts on this when all that's happening is people casting their opinion. It's been said before that opinion isn't fact.
I meet several people who are COMPLETELY different face to face as to what they are over conversations on here, text or email. I guarantee if you all met face to face everyone would end up laughing and shaking hands at the end of the day.
There is a lot more understanding of trolls and negative comments online now, Clean It Up isn't the place for this and it won't be tolerated. No sides are being taken and there are always 2 sides to every story.
Have a great weekend and keep it clean guys.
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Don't get me wrong, in a business sense what Lee has done within the confines of the WC business is quite impressive
But only if that's your thing
Nothing against those that want nice clothes/cars/houses etc, they are all nice but its something I have never really wanted enough to do what Lee has done, too much time taken away from more worthwhile (IMHO) things, like friends, family and maybe charitable activities.
It's better to give than it is to receive, I believe is actually true.
I think time is the most valuable commodity.
If I've achieved some things in life, it would be nice for other people to notice/benefit from etc rather than me having to shout about it on 'tinternet'
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why is it that every time Lee starts a thread it nearly always gets locked due to abuse by fellow members of this forum?
personally I enjoy reading his threads and if I were20 years younger (now 65) I would most likely take on his attitude to the business, get a few tips from him and expand my business big time.
so for crying out load leave the guy alone and let him share his experiences, a lot of people can learn from it
Maybe one reason Lee antagonises people is quotes like this "Your a one man band that really hasnt achieved anything,",
This is a direct quote from Lee to Dry Clean (who admittedly does seem quite a contentious person) on another thread.
Does Lee think that if you're a one man band we are useless in life in general?
There are a lot more things to achieve in our existence here on earth than building up a big business empire.
Some of these achievements are also a lot more worthwhile, not all happiness comes from wealth, material things / holidays etc
See I can criticize without being abusive😊
If your going to quote me perhaps you should also quote me where on many many occasions I have said I have just as much respect for one man bands as a bigger company and I was a one man band for many years myself Go dig that up and quote me there.
I've no doubt you said those things, but you also said what I just wrote as well!!!!
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Last chance to leave it there now guys...you have been warned.