[neil 47]

after the builders have been

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiUVY004RP4&feature=youtu.be

[Richard Cole]

What pad are you using on the rotary Neil?

Nice result by the way   I've used Shockwave a few times but not yet with a Rotary as I've only just got one and I'm waiting for the pads and brushes to be delivered.

[neil 47]

 

Hi Richard

it,s a brush  , the more dwell the better we padded it after , didnt bother with extraction

[Paul Moss]

RR, now go and siton the NCCA naughty step

Nice result and shows the type of results that can be achieved with bonnetting. However i think i would have extracted that one if piping to it was possible.

[neil 47]

HI paul

We probably would of but we forgot machine and results were great any way, for what we charge its not worth getting out anyway .

[Warren Aldridge]

Is that filmed on an Iphone?

Next time hold the phone sideways then you get the full wide screen and not a cropped video

[neil 47]

yes warren it was

thanks for the tip

[Mike Halliday]

That carpet had not been cleaned, you have just pushed the dirt further into the carpet, it's actually in a worse condition than before you started, not only has it had no dirt removed but had a nice cocktail of chemicals added.

But it looks clean and that's what the customer wants.

[Richard Cole]

HI paul

We probably would of but we forgot machine and results were great any way, for what we charge its not worth getting out anyway .

Just been reading this thread through again, how the hell did you forget your HWE machine its the biggest bit of kit most of us have in our vans, i've forgotten the odd thing but only very small items.  Maybe a visit to SPECSAVERS is in order

[neil 47]

 Warren :I dont need it so why remember it

Your right mike thats how you do your Nurserys and play areas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gisXa05pa0M&feature=channel&list=UL   

And dont come back with your encapsulation & safe chemical crap ( and your repeat work is so good u dont need to advertise lol)

get off your pulpit

you stole the before and after competition of us with a water mark that took u 5 mins to remove with a bit of acid rinse

put them up side by side  and have a  free vote off if you dare 

[Simon Gerrard]

Is it a good idea to leave something as strong as Shockwave in a carpet like that?

Simon

[neil 47]

Simon we all do it rinsing dosent remove it all and we miss bits some times.

We wouldnt leave it in your nans carpet but this one yes

[Mike Halliday]

Warren :I dont need it so why remember it

Your right mike thats how you do your Nurserys and play areas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gisXa05pa0M&feature=channel&list=UL   

And dont come back with your encapsulation & safe chemical crap ( and your repeat work is so good u dont need to advertise lol)

get off your pulpit

you stole the before and after competition of us with a water mark that took u 5 mins to remove with a bit of acid rinse

put them up side by side  and have a  free vote off if you dare 

Niel about my video you are wrong, about the competition I AGREE WITH YOU!!! if you look at my photo on my home page you will see i already have a chemspec spotting kit,  my photo was visually  impressive but not technically that hard, i posted it on a whim i did'nt think i had a chance of winning

give em a call or send me an email and you can have the spotting kit, I'll send it to you ( no kidding)

[neil 47]

Mike   you have been reading how to win friends and influlence people

BECOME A FRIENDLIER PERSON
1. Don’t criticize, condemn or complain.
2. Give honest, sincere appreciation.
3. Arouse in the other person an eager want.
4. Become genuinely interested in other people.
5. Smile.
6. Remember that a person’s name is to that person the sweetest and most important
sound in any language.
7. Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves.
8. Talk in terms of the other person’s interests.
9. Make the other person feel important – and do it sincerely.
WIN PEOPLE TO YOUR WAY OF THINKING
10. The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it.
11. Show respect for the other person’s opinion. Never say, “you’re wrong.”
12. If you are wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically.
13. Begin in a friendly way.
14. Get the other person saying, “yes, yes” immediately.
15. Let the other person do a great deal of the talking.
16. Let the other person feel that the idea is his or hers.
17. Try honestly to see things from the other person’s point of view.
18. Be sympathetic with the other person’s ideas and desires.
19. Appeal to the nobler motives.
20. Dramatize your ideas.
21. Throw down a challenge


Not bad Mike 4 out of 20 in a short paragraph im imppressed

[Mike Halliday]

So neil that is a yes.... you want it? 

As you can see I got no 5 & 6 in there 

[neil 47]

we only need shockwave Mike.

on a serious note we dont bother with stains if it wont come out with rust remover or citrus gel it can stop there

[Paul Moss]

You done better than me Mike, i only got 2 

Neil you have the right ideas  keep going down the road you are and you will make money

[Craigp]

I think Mike was being honest not critical.

Amazing result, but cant help think to myself where does the dirt go? guess its down..

If your charging cheap who cares, customer got want they want.

Does it last? will the dirt creep back up? if so how long till the dirt reappears?

I am new to encapslatation I will give it ago on a commercial one day, if they want cheap that is.

[Simon Gerrard]

Simon we all do it rinsing dosent remove it all and we miss bits some times.

We wouldnt leave it in your nans carpet but this one yes

Regardless of how much the customer is paying, don't they deserve the best job possible? After all they may not know that you haven't done your best simply because the price is cheap

[neil 47]

Craig

Me and colin say that all the time where has the dirt gone ,

and the weird thing is i went back to a reception area that we did nearly 2 months later and it still looked good.

[neil 47]

 Simon

if you buy a Mp3 player from poundland do you expext  it to last as long or play as well as one from Apple.
 
they shop on price we give them what they want

And they do get a good job anyway

 we use same solutions as you .
we have a good rotary
we extract ,
we have a decent Van
we vac ,
we open the windows
we have non detergent based solutions as well, there is  two of use so we are out of there homes a lot quicker , they dont want you there for hours  

Actually Simon i just realised we are Great value for money
 
And where do you think 110 likes in 6 months came from , i,ll tell you hard work and good sevice
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Barnsley-Carpet-and-upholstery-cleaners/211659385574626?ref=hl

Thats 14 more than you 

[Simon Gerrard]

I looked on your website and was impressed with your thoroughness which then begged the question, why not that standard on all jobs?
As for likes, I couldn't give two hoots about fb likes, the likes I concern myself with  are the 3,500 + customers on our database.

[Steve Gunn]

Good visual result but the product used was not used in the correct manor regardless of the result
#
Shockwave instructions clearly state

Instructions:
10-15 grams of Shockwave should be added to 1L of hot water, then pre-spray, and allow 15 minutes, (Agitation can be applied during this contact period if required)
Then rinse with plain water, or for increase efficiency an acidic rinse such as Solution Final Phase.

[Billy Russell]

I looked on your website and was impressed with your thoroughness which then begged the question, why not that standard on all jobs?
As for likes, I couldn't give two hoots about fb likes, the likes I concern myself with  are the 3,500 + customers on our database.

Only 3500+???

Amatuer!!! 

 

 

[gwrightson]

Neil,

I have been using encapsulation products for a number of years, 99percent of the time with fantastic results, encapsultion products are designed to do exactly( what it says on the tin)   encapsulate , to enclose something , the products encapsulates the dirt ,chrystalises and is simply vaccuumed away once this process has taken place, the difference between a high ph detergent and an encap product are miles apart from each other , so in fact  an encap product is benificial to the carpet in the sense it carrys on protecting even afet a number of days, they are non soil attracting were as a detergent ,escpecialy if not rinsed is quite the opposite .
Conclusion..........  bonnet  v encap   worlds apart .

Geoff

[*Hector*]

I looked on your website and was impressed with your thoroughness which then begged the question, why not that standard on all jobs?
As for likes, I couldn't give two hoots about fb likes, the likes I concern myself with  are the 3,500 + customers on our database.

Only 3500+???

Amatuer!!!  AMATEUR........ PART TIMER

 

 

ironed out your post for you there Billy  

[Simon Gerrard]

Billy,
Gtfucccfn

[neil 47]

Geoff
 your right and we do use encapsulation products but not yesterday when it's shagged it's shagged I don't think a bit of residue will make any odds to that carpet.

Simon Cheers

[davep]

Until the kids crawling about put there fingers in there mouths 

[Billy Russell]

I looked on your website and was impressed with your thoroughness which then begged the question, why not that standard on all jobs?
As for likes, I couldn't give two hoots about fb likes, the likes I concern myself with  are the 3,500 + customers on our database.

Only 3500+???

Amatuer!!!  AMATEUR........ PART TIMER

 

 

ironed out your post for you there Billy  

Thats better, thank you Hector! 

[Billy Russell]

Billy,
Gtfucccfn

Thank you, if you would like to come out for a day with a full timer, please don't hesitate to give me a call..........................































I will give you the number of one!
 

[Simon Gerrard]

 Billy,
I believe that Steve the c knight is the man to ask

[neil 47]

Dave dont be stupid did you see the carpet before ,
 
And im glad you brought that up.

 Do you know what happens to shockwave when it dries , i do as ive tested it , have you done that with the solutions that you use i doubt it very much . you take it on trust they lie .

And if you want to find out what happens do the same as me and test it .

what about if you hwe it and mold occurs and everyone in the house dies from mold fungus on their lungs get a grip

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/19/brittany-murphy-actress-killed-by-toxic-mold-says-mother_n_1157795.html

[*Hector*]

 

[Craigp]

Can you hwe shockwave/encap,? what results does it have then?

[neil 47]

Craig shockwave is a extraxaction product and to extract a encap what would be the point

[wynne jones]

we only need shockwave Mike.

on a serious note we dont bother with stains if it wont come out with rust remover or citrus gel it can stop there

This is similar to my approach. If another go with alk doesn't work then acid or solvent. It ain't rocket science and you don't need a million products.  

Is shockwave a detergent or MS/encap type thing, I wouldn't leave a dtergent in a carpet personaly.  

[neil 47]

wynne

its a bit of detergent and solvent and enzyme , maybe not ideal to leave in

[wynne jones]

I had to leave PB on a wool carpet once when my machine packed up. I was craping myself but went back next day and it was fine.

[davep]

Calling me stupid because you bonneted with shockwave?

Erm  

Why not just use spm or similar?

[neil 47]

Not stupid for bonneting  with shockwave .shockwave is  a fantastic bonneting solution

but for having no valid reason for scare mongering about something you're not sure of . 

you,ll be calling me a witch next and throwing me in the pond

[*Hector*]

but do you weigh more than a duck ??

 

[neil 47]

quack quack 

[Simon Gerrard]

You should know, Hector
I wouldn't have used Shockwave with a muck-spreading low moisture system, not that I'm minded to do that very often, but if I was, I'd have gone for an encap product which is designed for the job and not for something that clearly isn't.

Simon

[neil 47]

Simon why not 

wd40 not designed for a lot of things but has many different uses

[Simon Gerrard]

Well if for no other reason than we have a duty of care to our client

[*Hector*]

Well if for no other reason than we have a duty of care to our client

Dr Simon Pugwash now is it   

[davep]

Why rinse it out?

"Because sodium metasilicate is a highly corrosive material, it can be highly irritating when it comes in contact with the skin, eyes or respiratory tract, according to the International Programme on Chemical Safety."

[wynne jones]

As mentioned one of the great things about SPM is if it looks good after working it in you can go home.

Unfortunately by this time I've been banging on to custie about TM deep steam clean and chancers with whirling rags. 

[AshWhite]

As mentioned one of the great things about SPM is if it looks good after working it in you can go home.

Unfortunately by this time I've been banging on to custie about TM deep steam clean and chancers with whirling rags. 

Glad I'm not the only one who trips myself up with that..

[richie]

Shocked that anyone would use a product such as Shockwave with the intention of using the bonnet system.  Also, judging by the state of the carpet there is no way that a pad has removed the soil, it will have spread it about deep in to the pile.  Yeah ok so chemicals break down soils but not that much.  That carpet should have been extracted......NO IFS, NO BUTS......it should have been extracted.

[neil 47]

Why rinse it out?

"Because sodium metasilicate is a highly corrosive material, it can be highly irritating when it comes in contact with the skin, eyes or respiratory tract, according to the International Programme on Chemical Safety."

there you go again Dave just spouting what little knowledge you have stop now your embarrassing youself.

Sodium Metasilicate is found in...

Hair Color and Bleaching (129) Laundry Detergent (26) Automatic Dishwasher (18) Shaving Cream ( Shaving Cream (Men's) (6) Hand Dishwashing (5) Glass and Surface Cleaner (3) Fabric Treatment (2) Depilatories (Women's

http://www.goodguide.com/ingredients/291493-sodium-metasilicate

[neil 47]

is there anyone with a good valid reason why not to bonnet with shockwave ?


and back it up with proof

[Simon Gerrard]

Neil,

You don't need proof, just the application of common sense given what Shockwave is and was designed to do.

Simon

[wynne jones]

One more point Neil.

You say SW has enzymes in it. If that's the case then it needs extracting because the residue from the enzymes can trigger respiratory irritation in some people.

[james roffey]

The manufacturers instructions say it should be rinsed out, if i were going to bonnet with it i would ask them if it can be used for this purpose.

[neil 47]

Right Simon so you use shockwave, you pre spray it let it dwell .

During that dwell time through Capillary action the shock wave goes all the way to as far as it can, which is the backing of the carpet.

 As you know we dont wet the backing using hwe so that residue of shockwave is still in the backing.

so the next  time any moisture comes into contact with the backing it is reactivated .

Next

[neil 47]

One more point Neil.

You say SW has enzymes in it. If that's the case then it needs extracting because the residue from the enzymes can trigger respiratory irritation in some people.

see above

Next

[neil 47]

The manufacturers instructions say it should be rinsed out, if i were going to bonnet with it i would ask them if it can be used for this purpose.

What makes you think I havent


Next

[davep]

Hair Color and Bleaching (129) Laundry Detergent (26) Automatic Dishwasher (18) Shaving Cream ( Shaving Cream (Men's) (6) Hand Dishwashing (5) Glass and Surface Cleaner (3) Fabric Treatment (2) Depilatories (Women's)

Aren't these all rinsed out?

[neil 47]

Hair Color and Bleaching (129) Laundry Detergent (26) Automatic Dishwasher (18) Shaving Cream ( Shaving Cream (Men's) (6) Hand Dishwashing (5) Glass and Surface Cleaner (3) Fabric Treatment (2) Depilatories (Women's)

Aren't these all rinsed out?

depilatories
shaving cream    all applied direct to the skin 



Come on Dave i know it may be hard for you but it might of happened now sit down you might take this badly   you could be wrong

 
I am just saying there is always different ways , and we do generally rinse out or use spm . the world was flat once

[Simon Gerrard]

Right Simon so you use shockwave, you pre spray it let it dwell .

During that dwell time through Capillary action the shock wave goes all the way to as far as it can, which is the backing of the carpet.

 As you know we dont wet the backing using hwe so that residue of shockwave is still in the backing.

so the next  time any moisture comes into contact with the backing it is reactivated .

Next

Neil,
That explains why you got such a rapid reaction because you over applied the SW. There is no way the pre-spray should reach the backing of a carpet, if it does, you've done something wrong.

Simon

[neil 47]

Right Simon so you use shockwave, you pre spray it let it dwell .

During that dwell time through Capillary action the shock wave goes all the way to as far as it can, which is the backing of the carpet.

 As you know we dont wet the backing using hwe so that residue of shockwave is still in the backing.

so the next  time any moisture comes into contact with the backing it is reactivated .

Next

Neil,
That explains why you got such a rapid reaction because you over applied the SW. There is no way the pre-spray should reach the backing of a carpet, if it does, you've done something wrong.



Simon

Capillary action, or capillarity, is the ability of a liquid to flow in narrow spaces without the assistance of, and in opposition to external forces like gravity. The effect can be seen in the drawing up of liquids between the hairs of a paint-brush, in a thin tube, in porous materials such as paper, in some non-porous materials such as liquified carbon fiber, or in a cell. It occurs because of inter-molecular attractive forces between the liquid and solid surrounding surfaces. If the diameter of the tube is sufficiently small, then the combination of surface tension (which is caused by cohesion within the liquid) and adhesive forces between the liquid and container act to lift the liquid.[1]


both  the capillary action and gravity would take the solution to the backing within a minute and i know this from past experiance.

But I do agree its not ideal

[james roffey]

The manufacturers instructions say it should be rinsed out, if i were going to bonnet with it i would ask them if it can be used for this purpose.

What makes you think I havent


Next

I couldn't find the intructions for using Shockwave for bonnet cleaning on solutions site or the tub of Shockwave i have, it clearly states rinse with plain water or acidic rinse, i have used a rotary many times to agitate a prespray including shockwave and Powerburst and the results prior to extraction have been so good the customer have on occasion commented positively  thinking it's done, never have i  extracted and not made it look much cleaner still.
If Solutions tell me i can bonnet with it i will, think you may be using a lot of prespray if the backing is getting wet with it though.

[neil 47]

James i have just done 3 rugs pre sprayed  lightly and left to dwell for 15 mins when I have turned the rugs over after using the rotary 2 of them were clearly damp on the backing .

This is caused by gravity, wicking , and agitation. you all do it .

the reason the carpet looks better when you extract is because you are removing the moisture so it looks lighter ,

Neil

[Simon Gerrard]

They look better because you're removing the soil.
I've checked every carpet and three rugs we've done this morning and there wasn't the slightest sign of moisture on the backing of any of them.

Simon

[*Hector*]

That's because you didn't switch the water on........ 

all you have is a big vax in a van with a pressure washer attachment....   

So all you did this morning was a vacuum job ... 

 

[Simon Gerrard]

Drat, that's why the machine was so quiet this morning....gulp 

[*Hector*]

 

[james roffey]

If this were true surely every Belgian Wilton would shrink, i have tested load of off cuts of belgian Wilton over the past few years and if that backing gets damp they shrink, only with a very heavy application of prespray or high psi will it reach the backing, i also clean plenty of rugs only woolen ones where i have flooded them did i ever notice this happening, even on these it was just in a few patches. Of course i could be wrong i am no expert but from my own experience i do not accept that the backing will as a matter of course become wet.

[neil 47]

I will coincide that I do put plenty of per spray down but this is due to the type of work we get . Did one today only slightly soiled so I put less down .
I also note that as you point out it depends on the construction of the carpet . Also we do use spm on its own if circumstances mean we have to or there's no need for shockwave.
Of the years I have been doing cc I have only ever been called back 2 times once for wick back and once for a recurring smell .
So I must be doing something right and had 3 repeats this week and all of them were over a years since we have been and there is no signs of rapid resoiling or fibre damage .

[wynne jones]

Neil

I think you are wasted doing carpet cleaning you should be David Cameron's spin doctor or PR man for the Jimmy Saville estate. (not sure which is worse)

You are even getting me doubting whether black is in fact white.

[*Hector*]

He's not quite that good Wynne....

because white is in fact the new black.. 

 

[Adrian Marsh]

Hair Color and Bleaching (129) Laundry Detergent (26) Automatic Dishwasher (18) Shaving Cream ( Shaving Cream (Men's) (6) Hand Dishwashing (5) Glass and Surface Cleaner (3) Fabric Treatment (2) Depilatories (Women's)

Aren't these all rinsed out?

depilatories
shaving cream    all applied direct to the skin 



Come on Dave i know it may be hard for you but it might of happened now sit down you might take this badly   you could be wrong

 
I am just saying there is always different ways , and we do generally rinse out or use spm . the world was flat once

The world was flat once?

Ermm...........No it wasn't It's like watching a game of keepy uppy Come on Neil, round three

[neil 47]

Well lets look at the facts does the carpet look better than before .
Judging by the comments yes it does , so that is a fact .

All other comments are mearly opionions about what may or may not happen .

If you we're the owner off that carpet and not a carpet cleaner you'd all of given me a tip and don't lie I know how generous you all are apart from Simon who I've heard has fire insurance on his cigs


Neil

[james roffey]

Sorry Neil but i have never left a carpet cleaning job yet where i thought that

 " if i had done this it would be cleaner"  some times i may do a clean again if i am not happy with the result and if after further attempts at least i know that i can do no more, this is a very rare event and only twice have i re cleaned a carpet

As already stated many many times after agitation a customer has commented "wow that look amazing" or words to that effect after the agitation whether it be bonnet or contra rotating brush could i have packed my gear away at that point and the customer be happy well according to you "yes"

But i know that after extraction it will look even better i am happy that i have done a thorough job and the customer hopefully will be even happier knowing that i have also been thorough especially when i show him or her the crap that comes out after it looked like it was clean, i often point out after agitation that the dirt is still in the carpet prior to extraction.

I have today received an email from Nick at Solutions "Shockwave should be rinsed with water or acidic rinse as stated on the packaging, i use Shockwave and use it as often as i use Poweburst its a great product but i wont be bonneting with it.

[Simon Gerrard]

I think it is just about standards, some people's standards are higher than others. I wouldn't dream of leaving a carpet half clean, even if it could be justified by saying, 'well it looks better than before,' which appears to be where Neil is coming from. Or, to justify second best by saying the customer isn't paying for it, so sod'em.
But, it wouldn't do for us all to think the same.

Simon

[neil 47]

you are of  course all right  .

Just wondered

Now is that rinsed with acidic rinse or plain water , 100psi  0r 300psi , hot or cold water 

 

[james roffey]

you are of  course all right  .

Just wondered

Now is that rinsed with acidic rinse or plain water , 100psi  0r 300psi , hot or cold water  

 

 Evian mineral water from the shores of lake Geneva, extracted at 300 psi and about 90 degrees  

[wynne jones]

you are of  course all right  .

Just wondered

Now is that rinsed with acidic rinse or plain water , 100psi  0r 300psi , hot or cold water 

 

Any rinse is better than a wet rag.

[neil 47]

Wynne

You just couldn't leave it could you had to have the last word , and sarcastic as well bet your the same at home .

From a carpet cleaning point of view you are right maybe 85% of the time as there is a lot of situations where lm has its advantages .

From a purely buissness point you are wrong 85 % of the time . And you are the reason I started this thread your not open minded I've made more money in a shorter space of time using proper encap than any other method . 

Wynne I had high hopes for you in the beginning but you need to go to the back of the class for your last comment 5/10 tries hard but lacks willingness to except others opinions


Neil

[AshWhite]

Just to be clear, shockwave is not encap.

[*Hector*]

Neil47 I admire your thinking outside the box, and your putting your ideas forward on here, but ....

As you may be aware I only use LM type methods for cleaning, but I would not use shockwave, purely for the residue left behind..

Boosted SPM yes Boosted Mpower and HD m/s yes.... Fusion clean yes.. fusion 8 No..

But sorry would not use shockwave, as Ash has just pointed out it is not an encap so I would not be happy at leaving it in the carpet, and yes I bonnet off encap when I clean....

Oh yes Stop stalking Wynne...  . He will get a bigger complex .. 

[neil 47]

Wynne

You just couldn't leave it could you had to have the last word , and sarcastic as well bet your the same at home .

From a carpet cleaning point of view you are right maybe 85% of the time as there is a lot of situations where lm has its advantages .

From a purely buissness point you are wrong 85 % of the time . And you are the reason I started this thread your not open minded I've made more money in a shorter space of time using proper encap than any other method .  

Wynne I had high hopes for you in the beginning but you need to go to the back of the class for your last comment 5/10 tries hard but lacks willingness to except others opinions


Neil

Just for u ash and hector

 last job we used fusion clean and surround .

I do know shockwave is not meant to be used as a encap ph about 10 doh of course i know .

[james roffey]

Bonneting does have it's place i remember doing a large hall in a church a low profile carpet , i HWE  got a call back it had wicked back most of the tea and coffee spills, i  cleaned it again with the rotary and craftex encap solution and it came up really good. horses for courses

[neil 47]

Bonneting does have it's place i remember doing a large hall in a church a low profile carpet , i HWE  got a call back it had wicked back most of the tea and coffee spills, i  cleaned it again with the rotary and craftex encap solution and it came up really good. horses for courses

My point exactly including shockwave in certain circumstances

[Simon Gerrard]

Bonneting does have it's place i remember doing a large hall in a church a low profile carpet , i HWE  got a call back it had wicked back most of the tea and coffee spills, i  cleaned it again with the rotary and craftex encap solution and it came up really good. horses for courses

My point exactly including shockwave in certain circumstances

Except for use in LM applications for which it wasn't designed

[neil 47]

I Know that, always have .


But in that situation again i would do the same , unless she was willing to pay us Ł80  to get it to perfect, which she wasn't .


Neil

[Simon Gerrard]

Neil,
You're supposed to be a professional carpet cleaner, so how can you walk away from a job knowing you've only done half a job? If its Ł80 that it takes for you to do a good, professional quality  job, what do you do for the customers who you clean two carpets for Ł30?
We all end up doing jobs for less than we'd like, if only to fill a hole in the diary, but you never know what can come your way from doing a fantastic job, repeats, recommendations, contracts even.

Simon

[*Hector*]

Should rename this thread - the last word thread...

I'm winning so far

 

[Billy Russell]

Should rename this thread - the last word thread...

I'm winning so far

 

Don't think so!

 

[*Hector*]

Am too 
the last word is mine
 

[Simon Gerrard]

Hector,
Get ducked.

[*Hector*]

 

[neil 47]

Not designed to do all this but does 


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Use Baking Soda to:

1. Exfoliate skin. Wash your face, then apply a soft paste made of three parts baking soda and one part water. Massage gently with a circular motion, avoiding the eye area; rinse clean.
2. Erase crayon, pencil, ink, and furniture scuffs from painted surfaces. Sprinkle soda on a damp sponge, rub clean, and rinse.
3. Unclog a drain. Pour 1/2 to 1 cup of baking soda down the drain, then slowly pour 1/2 to 1 cup of white vinegar after it. Let sit for five minutes (covered, if possible). Follow with a gallon of boiling water.
4. Remove tough stains from enameled cast iron and stainless steel. Scrub enameled cast iron with a soft nylon brush and a thick paste of baking soda and water. Clean stainless steel with a soft cloth and 4 tablespoons of baking soda dissolved in 1 quart of water. Wipe dry with a clean cloth.
5. Scrub pans. Sprinkle soda on crusted casseroles and roasting pans and let sit for five minutes. Lightly scrub and rinse.
6. Brush teeth. Use a paste of baking soda and water.
7. Fight class-B fires (flammable liquids, such as gasoline, oil, and grease). Baking soda can be used to smother only a small flame.
8. Deodorize. Dust baking soda under your arms to absorb body odor.
9. Clean up minor oil and grease spills on a garage floor or driveway. Sprinkle baking soda on the spot and scrub with a wet brush.
10. Settle a stomach during occasional indigestion. Stir 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda into 1/2 cup of water and drink for a safe and effective antacid.

[Len Gribble]

Neil

Missed one

11. Soda blasting (doesn’t damage car panels)

[Tom Mac]

Any longer and this thread will have to become a trilogy

[*Hector*]

Thank you for that Neil...
Got a rayburn that needs a bit of cleaning up...

I got the last word in again
 

[Simon Gerrard]

Not designed to do all this but does 


10 New Uses for Baking Soda
“Not only does baking soda neutralize odiferous fatty acids but it also attacks grease by turning it into―believe it or not―soap,” says the University of Pittsburgh’s Wolke. Fact: More than 100 tons of the refrigerator staple were used to clean the Statue of Liberty’s inner copper walls during its 1986 restoration.

Use Baking Soda to:

1. Exfoliate skin. Wash your face, then apply a soft paste made of three parts baking soda and one part water. Massage gently with a circular motion, avoiding the eye area; rinse clean.
2. Erase crayon, pencil, ink, and furniture scuffs from painted surfaces. Sprinkle soda on a damp sponge, rub clean, and rinse.
3. Unclog a drain. Pour 1/2 to 1 cup of baking soda down the drain, then slowly pour 1/2 to 1 cup of white vinegar after it. Let sit for five minutes (covered, if possible). Follow with a gallon of boiling water.
4. Remove tough stains from enameled cast iron and stainless steel. Scrub enameled cast iron with a soft nylon brush and a thick paste of baking soda and water. Clean stainless steel with a soft cloth and 4 tablespoons of baking soda dissolved in 1 quart of water. Wipe dry with a clean cloth.
5. Scrub pans. Sprinkle soda on crusted casseroles and roasting pans and let sit for five minutes. Lightly scrub and rinse.
6. Brush teeth. Use a paste of baking soda and water.
7. Fight class-B fires (flammable liquids, such as gasoline, oil, and grease). Baking soda can be used to smother only a small flame.
8. Deodorize. Dust baking soda under your arms to absorb body odor.
9. Clean up minor oil and grease spills on a garage floor or driveway. Sprinkle baking soda on the spot and scrub with a wet brush.
10. Settle a stomach during occasional indigestion. Stir 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda into 1/2 cup of water and drink for a safe and effective antacid.

And the point is???

[neil 47]

my point is aint baking soda great

[*Hector*]

 

[Simon Gerrard]

Yes, but Viagra is even better

[dan paton]

Yes, but Viagra is even better

only if u have an old leaky wand

[Derek_Walker]

I suppose the main concern, apart from having the last word, is are we as professionals supposed to do the best for the client by using the correct industry approved methods, systems and cleaning agents, or is it okay to clean a carpet knowing that we have used the wrong type of cleaning because we are restricted by price barriers.
This is not based on any person either alive or deceased and does not reflect on anyones ability to clean carpets 

[Craigp]

One advantage of it not being rinsed is I bet it smells nice. (of Swockwave).

[Billy Russell]

Whats Swockwave?


 

[AshWhite]

Whats Swockwave?


 

Chinese rip off of Shockwave.

[Craigp]

Lol. added curry powder!

[*Hector*]

onrey haff price velly good deal  

 

[Simon Gerrard]

'Swockwave,' that what the Japanese villagers said when they saw the tsunami coming

[Billy Russell]

onrey haff price velly good deal  

 

you plick!!!!!!

 

[wynne jones]

WORD

[Simon Gerrard]

Last

[Paul Moss]

Simons wife bought him some viagra last week.

Not for sex

Just to stop him rollin out of the bed at night

[Simon Gerrard]

Your wife sent them to her 

[Billy Russell]

Your wife sent them to her 

 

[neil 47]

Neil,
You're supposed to be a professional carpet cleaner, so how can you walk away from a job knowing you've only done half a job? If its Ł80 that it takes for you to do a good, professional quality  job, what do you do for the customers who you clean two carpets for Ł30?
We all end up doing jobs for less than we'd like, if only to fill a hole in the diary, but you never know what can come your way from doing a fantastic job, repeats, recommendations, contracts even.

Simon

Simon you are spot on that was a one off carpet that was shagged if i had hwe with the porty i would of caused more problem  .

what you cant see is that the two rooms next door were down to the brick and we had to hoover for half an hour to get all the plaster out .
 
we get all you said above from doing a great job and have loads of recommendations just yesterday we were at a house worth well over a million then a council flat in the afternoon both got a great sevice and we charged the bloke in the million pound house the same as her in the council flat

Neil

[Adam P]

is that a good show of shockwave power? i've doine plenty after builders cleans that tbh just need to loosen the already fairly loose dirt. after builders imo are the easiest dirty carpets to clean if that makes sense.

[neil 47]

Yes it does make sense , but have you got a recording of you in action cleaning one

[Adam P]

i thought this thread was about the power of shockwave?

[neil 47]

No Adam you have changed it to i've done loads like that and its not that great but i have no proof thread

[garry22]

I used the same approach in an EOT job about a year ago (but with Powerburst rather than Shockwave).

I went to look at it a couple of days ago and it looked terrible. Like a really bad home V-x or r-g D----r job.

In fairness, like in Neil's case, it was the only thing that would shift the soiling but this was a real eye opener seeing the long term result.

[neil 47]

Gary

this thread has helped me approach jobs in a different way now .

i,m now gone back to basics and extract a lot more as Simon has emotional blackmailed me into doing a proper job

[*Hector*]

throw away the HWE machine, and stick to LM much quicker... dryer and the customers love it... 

Don't let Simon get to you 

[davep]

Hector have you any before after pics of domestic lm?

[Simon Gerrard]

Gary

this thread has helped me approach jobs in a different way now .

i,m now gone back to basics and extract a lot more as Simon has emotional blackmailed me into doing a proper job

Good on ya, Neil. Ignore hector, he's a silly duck breeder

[wynne jones]

Gary

this thread has helped me approach jobs in a different way now .

i,m now gone back to basics and extract a lot more as Simon has emotional blackmailed me into doing a proper job

I'm disappointed in you Neil. I thought you were a man who knew his own mind, even though he was wrong. 

[neil 47]

I said a lot more , not all . And this week we have given all the customers the choice of hwe or lm and explained everything and it been 50/50 so far .

[Simon Gerrard]

Neil,
Why LM at all, judging by your video you have a really good system and you personally  seem to have the right attitude as you are prepared to go the extra mile to produce a great result, so why only some of the time? I wouldn't LM a carpet unless there was no other alternative, although I've got the kit in the back of my van, what I also have in my van is the means to do a fantastic job and give people a level of quality they have never seen before, so where are they going to go next time?
Simon

[*Hector*]

Neil,
Why LM at all, judging by your video you have a really good system and you personally  seem to have the right attitude as you are prepared to go the extra mile to produce a great result, so why only some of the time? I wouldn't COULDN'T LM a carpet unless there was no other alternative If I tried , although I've got the kit in the back of my van gathering dust as I don't understand it.. , what I also have in my van is the means to do a fantastic job Hectors phone number  and give people a level of quality they have never seen before, so where are they going to go next time? Why Hector of course 
Simon

Sorted out your post for you Simon 

[Simon Gerrard]

 

[neil 47]

Neil,
Why LM at all, judging by your video you have a really good system and you personally  seem to have the right attitude as you are prepared to go the extra mile to produce a great result, so why only some of the time? I wouldn't LM a carpet unless there was no other alternative, although I've got the kit in the back of my van, what I also have in my van is the means to do a fantastic job and give people a level of quality they have never seen before, so where are they going to go next time?
Simon

We have 2 vans and plenty of kit , and we have started to take each job on its own merits lm affords us and customers what they want and a lot dont want to wait 5 to 7 hours for it to dry , im listning to what they want you are telling them what they need .

Lm is a good system and they are happy with it and the more i use it the better I think it is

[*Hector*]

Lm is a good system and they are happy with it and the more i use it the better I think it is

welcome to my world Neil.. 

It is good over here on the dark dry side 

[Simon Gerrard]

Dark as in still dirty 
I won't use LM because in the same van as the LM gear is one of the most powerful tm's on the planet, so why not use it and do the best job possible, albeit at a slightly higher cost.

Simon

[neil 47]

your not listning to your customers. they love lm , did a full house today wool carpet hwe dining room livingroom and stairs lm all bedrooms

upstairs dry before we left , had to leave windows open for downstairs to dry .

[Adam P]

without video there is no proof so doubt what you're saying.

[*Hector*]

without video there is no proof so doubt what you're saying.

Which bit do you doubt Kermit??

[neil 47]

Adam as it happens i took a video of it all , but if you want to learn how to clean carpets ,you will have to get yourself on a training course.

 but you have just given me a great idea cheers

[Simon Gerrard]

your not listning to your customers. they love lm , did a full house today wool carpet hwe dining room livingroom and stairs lm all bedrooms

upstairs dry before we left , had to leave windows open for downstairs to dry .

Aw, Neil, you've disappointed me now, I thought I'd won you over to doing a proper job as a matter of routine, oh well, you're halfway there

[Russ Chadd]

Neil... i sent you an email and so far i have had no response?

[neil 47]

No email in my inbox sure u have correct email kellowaynl77@aol.com Tel 01226891577 or 01226872204

[neil 47]

Neil... i sent you an email and so far i have had no response?

 Russ...i sent you an txt and so far i have had no response?