[Londoner]

He uses red type because on the light blue background of the forum  it  resembles West Ham colours.

Turn the colour off please Cleanintime

[Ian_Giles]

Mmm....

I get enough stick as it is for the posts and replies I am continually deleting, it would help if people posting would think before they post.
But although you may THINK a post is drivel, in your personal opinion, the poster may well think quite the reverse.
I would agree that in posts about earnings, anyone reading them would think that all you have to do is become a window cleaner and Bobs your uncle! £500 a day....sorted!
Complete cobblers of course it takes many years and plenty of savvy to develop and hone a round to the point where you are earning top money, and even then it is only really the top few percent of sole traders that will achieve top earnings, most will 'bob' along just keeping their heads above water.

There are thousands on the forum, it isn't for the moderators to go around slashing posts so that they only reflect their own viewpoint.

For all of the rubbish spouted there are others that counter the nonsense with considered and well thought replies...and these are the balancing factor in the threads.

Swearing, obvious flaming, stupid little replies with nothing more than smiley's in or obviously posts that contribute nothing to the thread get deleted constantly.
And if members see something they consider needs to be looked at by a moderator then there is always the report to moderator button, therefore concerned forum members also help keep a check on what's going on...not that many bother reporting what they consider offensive mind!

Ian

[Tosh]

I think this would be a good point to resurect an old post of mine, since I've just had a bit of 'sport' with a couple of fellow members who've been bragging about their earnings.

Apologies to Dave, for having to moderate, and apologies to Ronnie, who I did want to wind up; but still feel you deserved it.

But I think that there's some good posts in this thread.

[s.w.c]

well that was a lot to read from start of thread, well tosh has a point , well as far as it goes for me as long as i can earn a bob or two I'm happy.

[groundhog]

i love em i do

allways good for a laugh

im working all my jobs around so i can get all the best paid jobs done in 1 day, it'll be end of may i think, my only fall down is i like to be home for my daughters bed time at 7.30 - 45
But i think if i start my comercial at 4.30 and then go and do my better paid doemstic, then off to do some more commercail after 5, i should have a bumper day i worked it out and its a nice little number

This is what I do matt, except I am striving to make my whole round like this! so all my work is my best work!! Why not!?! 

[foxy]

this seems to have really got people going. some window cleaners earn very good money. you don't need to be WFP to do this. most do not earn a fortune. window cleaning is not a real trade - it is an occupation. you do not need to study at college or earn a qualification, you are not required to be a member of a guild or craft oraganisation. if you make decent money, all well and good. it (window cleaning) by WFP or traditional is a skill that can be picked up quickly. if you've got a decent round you are lucky. if your overheads are (as a sole trader or with a grafter) are over £100 then something has to be wrong. peace

[Paul Coleman]

this seems to have really got people going. some window cleaners earn very good money. you don't need to be WFP to do this. most do not earn a fortune. window cleaning is not a real trade - it is an occupation. you do not need to study at college or earn a qualification, you are not required to be a member of a guild or craft oraganisation. if you make decent money, all well and good. it (window cleaning) by WFP or traditional is a skill that can be picked up quickly. if you've got a decent round you are lucky. if your overheads are (as a sole trader or with a grafter) are over £100 then something has to be wrong. peace

£100 per how long?  I assume per week.  Once the expensive stuff is bought and paid for, I could do it on under £100 a week I reckon.  Much of that is for diesel.

[dmlservices]

This isn't hard cheese; I'm a lucky bloke; I have a good life and have a lot to be thankful for; and I do understand that when someone reaches a milestone, such as £200 in-a-day for the first time they're pretty chuffed, don't want to tell their mates, so come on here and tell us.

I've probably done similar, but it can get a bit silly and out-of-hand.

Not only that, I don't think it's good for our trade, advertising earnings that could be true - or false - to all and sundry.

There's many new arrivals to the UK who've got a good grasp of the English language, use the internet, keen to make money and would work just as hard, if not harder and be just as professional; for much less than what some of you are charging.
So I reckon posting earnings - matter-of-factly - should be discouraged on the forum.

Just my thoughts; though I do like the 'how much should I charge for this', or 'I've just hit a new milestone' post.

good post tosh ,

 i have been warning others ,both on here and another forum for a while,

only last week i replied to a recent thread on undercutting,

i highlighted the dangers of new arrivals using the interenet , and sites like this ,

to get all the info they need,  to undercut,and lower price,

if topics like this , make us all think twice before we engage in earnings topics,

then it will be for the better.

i also think we need to be carefull about new posters ,

most of whom , do not fill in their profile

what have they got to hide?

daz

[alanwilson]

personally I reckon £100 a week is minimal for costs - think about depreciation of your van, new pumps, hoses etc every 3/5 years.

[ftp]

Funny old thread this because even if you are employed it costs to go to work but nobody ever analizes that. Say you have a second car in the household and you drive twenty miles each way to work and back - what do you think your job costs you each year? Fuel alone could be £1100 a year plus your cars running costs and depreciation (no tax allowance there). So maybe £4000? that's over £90 per week!

[Paul Coleman]

Funny old thread this because even if you are employed it costs to go to work but nobody ever analizes that. Say you have a second car in the household and you drive twenty miles each way to work and back - what do you think your job costs you each year? Fuel alone could be £1100 a year plus your cars running costs and depreciation (no tax allowance there). So maybe £4000? that's over £90 per week!

Well the running costs on my van over the past few years have been

£2,226.46 (Escort)  (04-05)
£3,225.62 (Trafic)  (05-06)
£2,744.06 (Trafic)   (06-07)
£2,273.69 (Trafic)  (07-08)

Those figures are for the business proportion of the van use (most of it) but don't cover depreciation.  I'm quite surprised by them really as I would hardly describe my round as compact..  Indeed, the 06-07 figure includes a servicing/repair bill for about £1,000.  I expected those numbers to be much higher once I switched to the Trafic.  I don't have another bvehicle so those figures represent 85% of the total running costs of the van.
And for those who may think I worry over every little bit, don't mistake my thoroughness for pedantry.  I bet most on here would be unable to access those figures in the space of less than two minutes.

[ftp]

I think depreciation would be the biggest chunk particularly for those leasing brand new vans and equipment.

[ftp]

In thirty odd years of commuting to work i never analized my costs - what for? How sad is that?

[HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy)]

but isint depreciation taken into account when it comes to doing your tax return?

[ftp]

Yes, but only for the self employed.

[jefftemperley]

the car wash market in this country is almost exclusive territory of the eastern europeans, they saw an opportunity and have cornered the market inside ten years.

It should worry everyone here that they might catch on and start another industry invasion.

there is nothing to learn from knowing how much someone earns it only risks more people flooding our game with crap pricing undermining years of hard work to set customers expectations at a sensible level,
its  how we work , equipment used , marketing methods etc which we can all benefit from on the forum.

its a shame more of us dont network together to build more of a closed shop where jobs could be passed around to ''members'' and favours done here and there.

[s.w.c]

basic human mistake is people talk to much, there is a few window cleaners around hear they spout of how much they reckon they earn blah blah etc , how i reply is good for you glad things are going well, then then ask me about my business i reply same old same old I'm making a living, they  then try to probe further, i reply i'm just a poor window cleaner trying to make a living, what is it with these types of people. before i set up in window cleaning i use to be a owner driver around London and use to get the same people in that trade asking same sort of question,