pedantic people wanted, apply with in

« **on:** February 15, 2009, 04:43:16 pm »

pedantic people wanted to nit pick at my new website.

yeah its pink, so what.
there is an overlap fault on the commercial page benefit 1 and 4 but other than that it seem ok, but i know what you guys are like so i'm sure you'll find something for me.

can anyone find any typos or anything else, ie... not working in certain browsers etc.... any faults reported will be greatly recieved

ps.... mike halliday, do you like the job i did on the leather page, i did a well good job on that leather suite don't ya think

pps... i'll change it if it bothers you but mark put it there and said you'll be ok with it

www.cheshire-carpet-cleaning.com/

derek

« **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2009, 04:59:56 pm »

Derek, use any of my photos I don't mind.

on the home page I think the pink writing on the brown background is hard to read, just looked at the other pages and they are all the same, the heading at the top, pink on brown is hard to read.

« **Reply #2 on:** February 15, 2009, 05:03:00 pm »

'MESSAGE' spelt wrong on contacts page 'MESSGAE'

« **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2009, 05:07:53 pm »

can't agree on the pink on brown, even my wife says its easily readable and shes as blind as a bat, hence she married me,

unless the colours appear different seen in different browsers?
but cheers for the message typo hawkeye, well spotted. ive read it twice and didn't spot that.
cheers mike
oh! and cheers for the piccies
derek

« **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2009, 05:11:06 pm »

February spelt wrong on special offers page.

Like Mike says the pink is hard to read on the brown, but I do like the pink theme it's a bit different.

Having trouble reading some of the text on my browser, some of the black text is sitting on top of other text even on the highest text size - could be my laptop though, about 3 years old now, maybe time to upgrade to a different browser.

Think the site looks good mate - I don't care for the truckmount v portable bit, but then I would say that as I run a Ninja - but if I had a TM then I would push the benefit also. (Does it really cost £ 50k ?)

Steve

« **Reply #5 on:** February 15, 2009, 05:12:34 pm »

UPHOLSTERY

.......Because material sofa’s need care and attention..... INCORRECT GRAMMER

.......to when it comes toy our soft furnishings.......

« **Reply #6 on:** February 15, 2009, 05:16:33 pm »

I like your site.

I have never been to keen on the 20X power thing when promoting truckmount service.
I personally think if you are going to state 20x the power then the maths should work out.

You have 2hp versus 64hp. My calculations make that 32x the power.

Pedantic enough for you

« **Reply #7 on:** February 15, 2009, 05:24:03 pm »

seriously, this is all good stuff, thanks guys, all noted on paper and i'll tell mike higgins from dp when i phone tomorrow.
keep em coming, and to all you porty guys, i'm sorry for the hp bo11ox, its just marketting and wasn't even my idea.

mike h
on your prices page right down at the bottom in small writing its got recoomend.

The cleaning of fabric is the most challenging of all the work we undertake, we always recoomend a home consultation to correctly identify the fibre and any discuss any problems

pay back

your turn

derek

« **Reply #8 on:** February 15, 2009, 05:26:02 pm »

Derek

looks a good site mate.

You can get mark to run a spell check on the mistakes

« **Reply #9 on:** February 15, 2009, 05:30:03 pm »

actually mike, theres another mistake in that sentence towards the end. was gonna save it for later but may as wel use it now

derek

« **Reply #10 on:** February 15, 2009, 05:33:57 pm »

very pretty !

« **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2009, 05:36:04 pm »

cheers for that robert, its aimed at the ladies, after all, there the ones that make the cc decisions.
derek

« **Reply #12 on:** February 15, 2009, 05:38:30 pm »

Looks pretty good derek mine should be with me in few weeks

« **Reply #13 on:** February 15, 2009, 05:38:35 pm »

Derick,

what I really like to know......... Is that your daughter in the pics

geoff

« **Reply #14 on:** February 15, 2009, 05:39:22 pm »

on special offers page there's an an extra space.

.............we ‘ll clean the smallest for FREE...........................

and I would increase the photo in the bottom left corner to fill the space better

on gallery page

'carpet befor' instead of 'carpet before'

« **Reply #15 on:** February 15, 2009, 05:43:29 pm »

fck me mike, i wouldn't play you at scrabble for money. "your good"
you win i give up, but if you can find anymore then let me know even though i'm starting to feel illiterate.

derek

« **Reply #16 on:** February 15, 2009, 05:44:51 pm »

she does call me daddy occasionally geoff but we won't go into that

its my wife.
derek

« **Reply #17 on:** February 15, 2009, 05:49:47 pm »

Derek its like you spotting the mistakes on my site, I read it a 100 times and not spotted them.

the problem is when you read what you have written YOU DON'T ACTUAL READ IT!! your mind knows what it is supposed to say, so that's what it 'reads'

« **Reply #18 on:** February 15, 2009, 05:53:02 pm »

your right mike
you don't see your own mistakes. i'll settle for that.

think thats everything now, can't see there being anymore.
or have i spoke too soon.
derek

« **Reply #19 on:** February 15, 2009, 05:53:44 pm »

Looks very good Derek, I like the pictures as they paint a thousand words, the leather sofa in particular!

I'm a lazy sod when it comes to reading to be honest, so I didn't spot any smelling pistakes

« **Reply #20 on:** February 15, 2009, 05:57:03 pm »

Looks good derek.

Why Us should have a question mark after it.

« **Reply #21 on:** February 15, 2009, 06:03:58 pm »

Derek,
The site looks good, i like the pink background as well.
A couple of spelling mistakes i spotted on the upholstery page.
1. toy instead of to
2. intern instead of in-turn
3. rip and scuff need a commer inbetween

There seems to be a few paragraphs throughout the site that need full stops or commers or where commers are there are 2 instead of 1.
Dont want to seem picky just wanted to let you know the errors before the site goes live.
Good luck with the site, i am getting DP to do ours in the near future.
Mark

« **Reply #22 on:** February 15, 2009, 06:05:56 pm »

On the resources page it's useful not use full

May as well be one of the first to request an exchange of links

« **Reply #23 on:** February 15, 2009, 06:07:40 pm »

use,, a chat about any stains that concern you and a discussion about furniture removal. Then we’ll give you a price and if your happy to go a head
we’ll arrange a time to suit you for the clean. We pride ourselves on doing the best possible job we can. We have a very professional approach to our work with a friendly approach to our customers. So give us a call or use the contact page, we’ll call you back to arrange your free no obligation quote so you can see for your self.
in the last line, 'your self' is one word.

Double commas after 'use' and

« **Reply #24 on:** February 15, 2009, 06:26:32 pm »

thanks to everyone who's pointed out all the mistakes, cheers guys really appreciate them all, and thanks for all the positive comments,
just like to point out that most of the mistakes are mine and not marks at dp.

need some seo on it now and to be honest, i don't mind paying good money for the right results.
cheers again all who've helped out
derek

« **Reply #25 on:** February 15, 2009, 06:29:01 pm »

Derek,
This is my new site, like yours there is still a lot of amends and typo's comma's missing etc.

htp://www.chorleycarpetcleaning.co.uk/

Do you cover the chorley cheshire area ??

Paul

« **Reply #26 on:** February 15, 2009, 06:33:04 pm »

One of the pages has a sentence which is a mile too long IMO.

« **Reply #27 on:** February 15, 2009, 06:35:34 pm »

paul
no, chorley is junction 26? 27? m6, bit too far for me, warringtons too far unless its a biggy.
joe
take a deep breathe.

seriously though, which one?
i type like i talk so thats probably why

derek

« **Reply #28 on:** February 15, 2009, 06:41:32 pm »

paul
found this on your FAQ page

We also attend many cleaning shows though out England to research new cleaning methods and techniques.

missing an "r" in through.

this game is fun all though i'm still losing by a mile.

derek

« **Reply #29 on:** February 15, 2009, 06:45:20 pm »

Upholstery page - second paragragh is just one sentence - its tooooo looonnngggg.

Also look at the page with the benefits especially benefit 1 and benefit 4 (I think) - type overlapping

« **Reply #30 on:** February 15, 2009, 06:50:40 pm »

cheers joe for pointin out the long sentence. but i all ready pointed out benefits 1 and 4 in the original post so no one else would.

derek

« **Reply #31 on:** February 15, 2009, 06:52:13 pm »

derek, no disrespect but use a spell checker, there are so many bad spellings or bad grammar i could be here all night!! that said, on a positive note, i think the sight is really good,

colin

« **Reply #32 on:** February 15, 2009, 06:57:10 pm »

no disrespect taken colin. happy for the comments and they will all be taken on board and corrected.
all though i didn't realise there were that many mistakes, possibly need a night course in spelling and grammer, or less beer, night course it is then.

derek

« **Reply #33 on:** February 15, 2009, 06:58:40 pm »

Yep nice site Derek has Mark Roberts done it i could do to get one done.

CHEERS TONY East Yorkshire

« **Reply #34 on:** February 15, 2009, 07:00:57 pm »

derek, although is one word

« **Reply #35 on:** February 15, 2009, 07:02:25 pm »

cheers tony, it was mark higgins, from dpprint.
top man.
derek

« **Reply #36 on:** February 15, 2009, 07:07:30 pm »

Leather page "we clean any types" should be all.

Why choose us page "all to common" should be too.

Home page "to go a head" should be ahead.

Leather page as a 7 line long sentence.

Don't know if this is deliberate but

Contact page Name e mail phone and town titles aren't in line

Looks a nice site although not keen myself on colours, that's a personal thing though and each ti his or her own.

Use a spell checker.

John

« **Reply #37 on:** February 15, 2009, 07:09:47 pm »

Derek

Does mark not spell check it

« **Reply #38 on:** February 15, 2009, 07:11:48 pm »

He said spelling to wrong.
Is there meant to be 1 special offer or is it my browser.

John

« **Reply #39 on:** February 15, 2009, 07:13:09 pm »

If he does the spell checker needs a spell checker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John

« **Reply #40 on:** February 15, 2009, 07:15:50 pm »

not added the special offers yet, doing that tomorrow. so at the mo theres only one.

it will all be checked and corrected tomoz.

hopefully

derek

« **Reply #41 on:** February 15, 2009, 07:24:32 pm »

Its LOOKS well , Like the use of the contrasting colours , the pink-yes nice touch , different it is and I think thats most important issue , just IMO the main picture at the bottom needs fine tuning
ses he with out a web site

« **Reply #42 on:** February 15, 2009, 07:27:10 pm »

a good site, though to rank highly you probably need more search keywords peppered in the text on

each page, especially areas you cover, this will make it far more relevant when people search those

terms

regards
steve

« **Reply #43 on:** February 15, 2009, 07:35:19 pm »

Derek,

State-of-the-art £50,000 Van Mounted Cleaning System. Powered by a massive 1.6 litre fuel injected engine

You must have had your Boxxer TM built to your own specs. I also think that at £50,000 you have been taken for a mug. You paid way to much.

What happens if someone wants to see the 1.6 litre fuel injected engine???

Richie.

« **Reply #44 on:** February 15, 2009, 07:53:51 pm »

ritchie
i did tell mark when i saw this on my web site and he just said who doesn't exagerate.

lets face it, how many web sites say they have the best equipment going.

ps... if you add up all my investment in this business, i wouldn't get much change from 50k so that bits true ish.

derek

« **Reply #45 on:** February 15, 2009, 08:01:33 pm »

Derek

I would change it.

It's very specific and you don't really need to lie to make your point about your equipment. What if a jealous competitor reorted you to trading standards and you ended up i the local paper?

« **Reply #46 on:** February 15, 2009, 08:06:42 pm »

what cc is my boxxer? i know its 21 HP but not sure what engine size is.
derek

« **Reply #47 on:** February 15, 2009, 08:13:33 pm »

Does any other profession stipulate how much their equipment is worth? Dereks certainly isn't the first C/C to mention how much the equipment's worth! You're perhaps opening yourself up to the thieving scum bags that won't think twice about knicking your van and selling the lot for a ridiculous price.....

Or worse still, a jealous C/C who only has a porty :

:

Just a thought Derek, not an envious stab

« **Reply #48 on:** February 15, 2009, 08:16:33 pm »

the drivers seats wired up to the mains so they might get a shock if they try.

fitted with a tracker mate. taking no chances with my livlihood.
derek

« **Reply #49 on:** February 15, 2009, 08:19:37 pm »

Bugger

« **Reply #50 on:** February 15, 2009, 08:49:52 pm »

Quote from: Derek West on February 15, 2009, 08:06:42 pm

what cc is my boxxer? i know its 21 HP but not sure what engine size is.
derek

My 18hp engine is about 550cc so your 21hp is would guess at being 750cc max

« **Reply #51 on:** February 15, 2009, 08:55:56 pm »

cheers joe

so not far off a 1.6 then

derek

« **Reply #52 on:** February 15, 2009, 09:00:35 pm »

Derek

Its as nearly as fast as your old capri

« **Reply #53 on:** February 15, 2009, 09:08:29 pm »

you mean my 2.8 injection special with pepper pot alloys.

derek

« **Reply #54 on:** February 15, 2009, 09:13:00 pm »

Simitar GTE 3 litre essex lump wolfrace slot mags mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm for me :

« **Reply #55 on:** February 15, 2009, 10:23:29 pm »

Derek

1600 divided by 750 = ?

So it's less than half the size of a 1600

« **Reply #56 on:** February 15, 2009, 10:24:50 pm »

hence the smiley face on my tongue in cheek post robert.
derek

« **Reply #57 on:** February 15, 2009, 10:42:40 pm »

Derek

You will just have to put its larger than a portie

« **Reply #58 on:** February 15, 2009, 10:57:37 pm »

Briggs & stratton Vanguard V-TWIN Air Cooled Engines

16hp            480cc
18hp            570cc
21hp & 23hp     627cc
27hp            752cc
35hp          993cc

Richie.

« **Reply #59 on:** February 15, 2009, 11:00:22 pm »

There was a thread ages ago and Dave Liahona posted the HM caparison between the Spitfire and a high end portie, this is where the 20x the power line came from, or prompted it.

So you could quite reasonably say that.

« **Reply #60 on:** February 15, 2009, 11:06:55 pm »

SInce there have been several posts about not being able to spot typos on things that we have written ourselves, I post the following for a bit of fun:

Olny srmat poelpe can raed tihs.
I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! if you can raed tihs psas it on !!

« **Reply #61 on:** February 15, 2009, 11:08:31 pm »

Roger

Thought you had a day in the nursery on the beer;)

« **Reply #62 on:** February 15, 2009, 11:50:44 pm »

Roger, didn't know you spoke Cumbrian

« **Reply #63 on:** February 16, 2009, 12:11:10 am »

damn me i raed taht pferctely.

wried

dreek

« **Reply #64 on:** February 16, 2009, 01:52:29 pm »

Like the site Derek

However with your statement about the power benefits of the T/M over the feeble porty user's, it might be a good idea to change the photo on your home page, where Joe Bloggs is clearly using a porty (can be seen in the background)

Like the site though, good luck.

Paul - Kinder Clean

« **Reply #65 on:** February 16, 2009, 02:11:49 pm »

well spotted paul.
cheers
derek

« **Reply #66 on:** February 16, 2009, 02:35:32 pm »

This is hilarious

About half of the replies pointing out Derek's mistakes contain spelling and grammar mistakes themselves

Looks good though mate

« **Reply #67 on:** February 16, 2009, 02:42:48 pm »

to be fair jim. i did ask and am grateful for all the findings, cheers for the thumbs up mate, where you been hiding lately?.
derek

« **Reply #68 on:** February 16, 2009, 03:55:07 pm »

I've been a busy bee

P.S. Your first sentence in the leather cleaning section, is really long and separated by lots of commas, instead of, splitting it up, into a few sentences, with full stops. It doesn't read too well

« **Reply #69 on:** February 16, 2009, 06:02:47 pm »

Jim

good to see you back

« **Reply #70 on:** February 16, 2009, 06:08:54 pm »

can anyone of you web experts tell me the answers to these questions
what is google sandbox?
what is an external css file?

derek

« **Reply #71 on:** February 16, 2009, 07:42:09 pm »

Hi Derek don't know how you stand but the picture of the ninja has been taken straigh of Ashby's brochure /web site with their name on, they might not be happy just a thought.

CHEERS TONY

« **Reply #72 on:** February 16, 2009, 08:32:25 pm »

Derek,

On your web site you state.....20 TIMES MORE POWERFUL THAN A PORTABLE SYSTEM. The Prowler is a PORTABLE HWE SYSTEM.

Richie.

« **Reply #73 on:** February 16, 2009, 08:49:44 pm »

apparantly i can't use the ninja / truckmount comparison as its got copywrite protection, there fore i will be changing it as soon as possible, so no more comments needed thanks.
derek

« **Reply #74 on:** February 17, 2009, 08:55:05 pm »

Derek

Why are you suddenly worried about copyright issues.

Clue BIG BOATS!

« **Reply #75 on:** February 17, 2009, 09:17:52 pm »

news travels fast mike

it will all be changed asap, but for legal reasons i'm not allowed to comment til after the trial,

hope i'm out in time for the birth of my new baby.

derek

« **Reply #76 on:** February 17, 2009, 09:29:01 pm »

Wouldn't worry about it, it's not you who's put them om there.

As for Lens stuff, I think every CC and his dog has those and I'm sure he doesn't mind so long as your not on his manor.

« **Reply #77 on:** February 17, 2009, 09:32:22 pm »

lens?

?
whats on there thats lens?

eeeeek, more law suits pending
derek

« **Reply #78 on:** February 17, 2009, 09:52:34 pm »

Derek

The best ones to go for i was told was the usa sites to get ideas

« **Reply #79 on:** February 17, 2009, 10:34:58 pm »

OH DEAR,

DP Print & Design have been abit naughty i think. They took it on themselves to go ahead & use someone elses advert/wording on Dereks website without asking for permission then when DP were confronted by the original carpet cleaner DP told him to damn OFF. The point here is.... DP have used wording that was supplied to them in confidence to help with the design of leaflets/website. DP are now openly supply other CCs with this wording. VERY NAUGHTY.

Richie.

« **Reply #80 on:** February 17, 2009, 10:42:13 pm »

This suprises me, i have had dealings with Mark at DP for some time now and i have always found him to be a genuine spot on guy

Mark

« **Reply #81 on:** February 17, 2009, 11:20:17 pm »

mark at dp, works from 9 in the morning til god know what time at night, he is a genuine honest hard working man who i have the utmost respect for, he was doing my site and put in something that he genuinely thought was ok to put in, with over 10,000 pieces of art work on carpet cleaning alone its an easy mistake to make, hands up all those guys that have never made a mistake, just the liars with there hands up then.
simon gerrard recognised it as his and informed me to remove it, i said no problem, i will phone mark and get it sorted, but that wasn't enough for simon, he decided he was going to inform his lawyers to take mark to court, mark phoned him and after a brief conversation decided to tell mr gerrard where to get off, can't say i blame him. the aforementioned was removed and still he is persisting in copywrite theft, or breach of contract.

mark also put pictures from mike hallidays site onto my site, when i saw them i said to mike, is it all right if i use them, he said not a problem, mike halliday is a stand up guy who will always help out his fellow carpet cleaners.
top man mike, cheers

i will still continue to use mark at dpprint and if he ever uses my stuff, i will be proud it made the grade.

i spoke to mark today and he was shocked at the amount of support he's had from some of you out there. you know who you are.

so thats what happened.

10'000 pieces of clip art and he puts sg's work on dw's site, what are the chances of that happening eh?

you couldn't make it up

anyway in my view, there was no breach of anything as the offending item was removed on request.
derek

« **Reply #82 on:** February 17, 2009, 11:34:18 pm »

Maybe what's happened is Mark is used to doing this with leaflets and nobody minds quite so much cos unless they are on your doorstep it doesn't matter so much and you prob won't know anyway.

But now he's doing websites it's a whole new ball game.

I'm surprised Simon didn't know this sort of thing went on cos he must have seen the example pdfs Mark does and I know a few people who don't use him for the very reason he utilises other peoples stuff.

If I'd of been Simon, I would have made it plain I didn't want it borrowed by someone else or go elsewhere.

« **Reply #83 on:** February 17, 2009, 11:39:22 pm »

Mark at DP is on with my site now, so i will apologise now incase anyones pics get used. I agree with Derek if someone wanted to use some of my info and they didnt live near me, why should i be bothered, i should be glad it made the grade. I think its all a little petty to be honest, thats just my opinion tho ???Mark

« **Reply #84 on:** February 18, 2009, 06:28:18 pm »

Over the years as some of you may remember myself & Simon Gerrard have not always seen eye to eye however in recent years i have got to know Simon better & have come too respect the way he runs his company & his professional attitude & approach towards the Carpet Cleaning industry. I can see this situation from both ends of the spectrum. I agree with what Simon has stated, if DP had done the FULL design of the work then its fair that its used as a general piece but the FACT that Simon supplied the wording himself is why this should be treated as confidential. Yes it may now have been reversed and removed from Dereks site however it has still been used in lots of other carpet cleaners flyers and as Simon said this is even before its gone into Simons advertising. I can FULLY understand why Simon has got so upset regarding this matter & the fact that Mark at DP swore at him on the phone is well out of order. SIMON....stick to your gins mate. You will ahve the support of many regarding this matter im sure.

Richie.

« **Reply #85 on:** February 18, 2009, 08:07:32 pm »

I dont know Simon so i cant comment on the guy, im sure he is a professional businessman, no doubt.
I have dealt with Mark at DP Print for some years, all i can say that if he was to swear at a customer then he must have had some serious attitude thrown his way and he has retaliated.
I agree that if Mark has used Simon's work on other peoples ads or sites without permission then he is in the wrong, however i bet most of our sites and leaflets are all similar anyway no matter who has designed them.
Mark

« **Reply #86 on:** February 18, 2009, 08:58:18 pm »

Copyright very hard to claim copyright.
But i would feel the same as Simon. Think most cc if asked and your not in their area would not mind copying some ideas. I for one feel sorry for Derek all this trouble and all he wanted was to get some opinions on his new web page.

CHEERS TONY

« **Reply #87 on:** February 18, 2009, 09:37:25 pm »

Yeah. Your sites looking pretty good Derek, It will all work out OK in the end.
Never a dull moment here eh.

« **Reply #88 on:** February 18, 2009, 09:57:21 pm »

I have found mark a decent chap havent got him to do my site as am too far from hime and went with a local firm who have done some design work for me in the past.

To be honest i went with my local company for certain reasons the main one is i want to have an original site created. Sometimes if too many people use the same person becomes a bit samey.

But mark at dp did a good job on my last run of leaflets cant knock his efforts all though i provided hime with the wording he did a decent design job and price was first class.

All though i would be a bit knarked to see my website content on another site. The only way to stop this is do it yourself and have a pro re word it for optimisation

Regards

Rich

« **Reply #89 on:** February 18, 2009, 11:02:02 pm »

Think you must have a problem with your pdf file download loads on there

« **Reply #90 on:** February 19, 2009, 01:53:04 am »

I too have found Mark to be pretty good in the past although this situation with Simon i feel he has taken the pi$$.

Richie.

« **Reply #91 on:** February 19, 2009, 08:08:15 am »

Mark did a good job on my leaflets

Getting my site done elswere as he was taking too long

« **Reply #92 on:** February 19, 2009, 08:14:56 am »

Hi Guys

The wider issue is that Mark obviously uses CC's design ideas to other CC's , DP did this at one of the early days out.

This didn't really cause a problem as the CC's wouldn't know their artwork was being used because it was a different area.

However websites are different and if Mark starts copying web copyright he will soon get into trouble as it's so obvious, if CC's suddenly find their words being used against them, then writs will fly !

He is new to websites and needs to adapt his approach.

Cheers

Doug

« **Reply #93 on:** February 19, 2009, 10:32:29 am »

Trustworthy and has a command of the English language and can spell.
Can't believe he put Derek's site up without checking spelling and grammar.

John

« **Reply #94 on:** February 19, 2009, 01:37:45 pm »

I agree that it is a matter of confidentiality and you have the right to be angry as i would but you need to be carefull what is said on the forum and not release info about legal avenues as this could be interpredited as slanderous accusation my best friend is a barrister and was talking to him last night and so many cases of pagerisam have been turned on there head and blown out of all proportion. And the original victim has been made out to be the villain. Plus its nearly impossible to have the rights on text.

Think its time this thread was kept private as it will only lead to trouble.