[john martin]

For anyone who likes boosters
Dam , if the last one only gave me the power of blazer or whatever i must be chasing titans now  ...   

Il put a couple of pics of the internals after a while .

[john martin]

[john martin]

So , its a twin 6.6 in series .
Its pretty high quality in terms of sturdyness , like the metal manifolds and bolt clamps .
Its has a soft/slow start module built in so it can be started by remote control .
Its twin fan cooled .
Its also water proof

[john martin]

Soft start module

[john martin]

cooling fans

[john martin]

each motor has an isolated air  vent

[john martin]

just one switch

[john martin]

[carpet2clean.co.uk]

Looks very professional!!!

But is it not too much for 1 core? I believe 6.6 are 1850W each so 2 of them is 3700W

3700W/ 240V= 15.4 AMP. What fuse you have in that plug then?


 

[john martin]

Looks very professional!!!

But is it not too much for 1 core? I believe 6.6 are 1850W each so 2 of them is 3700W

3700W/ 240V= 15.4 AMP. What fuse you have in that plug then?

Hello , i have tested the 6.6 before i think it read about 6.8amps with no restriction .
I think the 6.6 is more a 1600w motor .
Il put an amp meter on the booster when i get time , id say between 13 and 14amps .
The standard fuse will be fine with that .

[Carpet2Clean]

Looks very professional!!!

But is it not too much for 1 core? I believe 6.6 are 1850W each so 2 of them is 3700W

3700W/ 240V= 15.4 AMP. What fuse you have in that plug then?

Nice booster John 

Also you have my company name ( carpet2clean newbie)..I have been trading as Carpet2Clean for over 10 years.

[Mike Halliday]

What vac reading are you getting ? Does that gauge measure the full system (. Inc the vacs in the machine) or just the booster?

It does look a well made piece of kit

[James Jacob]

Cheers John... Sorry i didn't get back to you... but here it is
https://youtu.be/G2SLNQq-liM

[john martin]

What vac reading are you getting ? Does that gauge measure the full system (. Inc the vacs in the machine) or just the booster?

It does look a well made piece of kit

I really didnt try it much yet , its over 15HG so far ,  so less than two HD electros  .... how ever there is a good blast of air from the exhaust for airflow should be up .
I still have fit a 6.6 to the lower Enforcer vac position to see what four 6.6 is like , there is still one HD electro in there now ... but il leave it til the xmas break as i have to make brackets etc .
It should measure the total HG with both  going though

[john martin]

Cheers John... Sorry i didn't get back to you... but here it is
https://youtu.be/G2SLNQq-liM

Very nice , and u get a muffler in there , its a tight area to fit things .  Did u use it much yet ?  how do find it .

You were unusual in that u never did anything like this before , u just said right im bulding a booster . 

[James Jacob]

Ive not tried it out yet mate.... but i will do once i can get a 90 degree angle for it
Everything else is ready to go... i just need the angle & the bits to connect it to the enforcer & then ill start drilling holes again & also a screw on end cap for the angle when im not using the booster...

[Carpet2Clean]

I am liking all this booster box making 

How much did they cost to build ? John & James.

James is the smell coming from the lid were the exhaust is touching it.

Richard

[Lewis Newby]

John, when your ready to take orders I could use a small booster box, just 1hd electro would be great - (you could use a lunchbox  )

I ain't paying 450+vat for the cleansmart booster pod

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Excellent!! Well done guys.

If I had to just offer an alternative, I'd personally run a portable from the van on one cord and have an in line booster nearer the door how could you deal with that?

Shaun

[Glynn]

John
Whats the best replacement  vacs for an Exel at the moment ?.

[James Jacob]

Hi Richard... no, it was just an electrical smell from everything being new... & somewhere between £250-£300
Shaun i try to always take my enforcer inside the buildings if possible... But yes, that idea im sure is possible too.
It can get manic as i have sooo much kit now... i just bought a Pro 35 too

[Robin Ray]

Hi Richard... no, it was just an electrical smell from everything being new... & somewhere between £250-£300
Shaun i try to always take my enforcer inside the buildings if possible... But yes, that idea im sure is possible too.
It can get manic as i have sooo much kit now... i just bought a Pro 35 too

With the extra power whats the point in taking it inside?

[mr muzzy]

John
Whats the best replacement  vacs for an Exel at the moment ?.

     glynn brian has the vacs at his place in tamfield mate

[Glynn]

I was thinking of either the 6.6 or 5.7
I remember seeing them with the brackets but cant remember where.

[john martin]

John
Whats the best replacement  vacs for an Exel at the moment ?.

It ran 7.2 ? 
I would def be fitting the 6.6 at 109 from the carpetcleaning store ...  or the HD electro from John kelly or alltec.
Easy to say though ...  i think the extractas attached the hose direct to the motor so u would have to fit a tube of make a manifold . And u would need some spacers to mount them to the 7.2 mounts

[James Jacob]

Hi John do you think this would be good as a 90 degree angle?
http://www.pchemlabs.com/product.asp?pid=3692
Im having trouble sourcing the parts needed for this whole area atm...

Bum... i just seen that its not... can you guide me please
Cheers Jim

[john martin]

Hi John do you think this would be good as a 90 degree angle?
http://www.pchemlabs.com/product.asp?pid=3692
Im having trouble sourcing the parts needed for this whole area atm...

Bum... i just seen that its not... can you guide me please
Cheers Jim

Id say you need a BSP thread right ?  il have a look , i think the places i got mine on ebay are gone though .

[john martin]

one of these ?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BSP-Female-x-Female-Elbow-Polypropylene-PP-Black-Plastic-Pipe-Fitting-/321742026262?var=&hash=item4ae951b616:m:mcMleh8ANhSbxfbtmKAwepA

[James Jacob]

Fook Me! £27 for one 2" plastic angle...

Actually.... maybe i could just get a 1 1/2" one... i would just need some attachment to screw into the 1 1/2" female & then the other side to be smooth 1 1/2"... so my 1 1/2" vac hose can slip over it

Also... what do you think about this? its a 90 degree with an end cap... i will need an end cap of some sort when im not using the box

[Simon Gerrard]

John
Whats the best replacement  vacs for an Exel at the moment ?.

A truck mount

[James Jacob]

Hi again John... I Just need a few bits more to be able to use this booster box, Instead of it just being an expensive carpet cleaning ornament...
I use 1 12" Vacuum Hose... So i need to know what sizes of things(Tank Connectors) i need & exactly what i need here to link the Vac hose to the enforcer... Thanks for that link by the way, but what size one should i buy?
It really is quite confusing...
Here is my dilemma... Obviously i need a 90 degree angle, but im not sure what size one... because i will need some part that will screw into it, that the vacuum hose will then be able to slide either "on" or "in"....
Then i would also need some kind of "End cap" that screws in to that thread when im not using the booster box (or what do you recommend i use for this?)
Then, The "Other side" of this 90 degree angle (where it Joins with the enforcer body) i will also need something threaded to go through the enforcer body & some kind of large plastic nuts to hold it in place? am i right?
This part of the project Sucks tbh...
Cheers Jim

[john martin]

Hi again John... I Just need a few bits more to be able to use this booster box, Instead of it just being an expensive carpet cleaning ornament...
I use 1 12" Vacuum Hose... So i need to know what sizes of things(Tank Connectors) i need & exactly what i need here to link the Vac hose to the enforcer... Thanks for that link by the way, but what size one should i buy?
It really is quite confusing...
Here is my dilemma... Obviously i need a 90 degree angle, but im not sure what size one... because i will need some part that will screw into it, that the vacuum hose will then be able to slide either "on" or "in"....
Then i would also need some kind of "End cap" that screws in to that thread when im not using the booster box (or what do you recommend i use for this?)
Then, The "Other side" of this 90 degree angle (where it Joins with the enforcer body) i will also need something threaded to go through the enforcer body & some kind of large plastic nuts to hold it in place? am i right?
This part of the project Sucks tbh...
Cheers Jim

You only need  four things . A tank connector ...or bulkhead connector  . A 90 bend ....and a male connector going into the 90 bend to attach your hose . I remove the 90 bend when I'm not using it and just screw cap the tank connector on the enforcer .  I stuck with 1.5 . It tends to be a bit larger that the internal of a 1.5 connector on a machine really .
Il have a look later .

[James Jacob]

Yes... cheers... its all coming a little clearer now
Just stick to 1.5" bits... its certainly a Lot cheaper than 2" bits & they are more easily obtainable...
i think im still struggling to get an end cap though... but i understand it better now... thanks
i think this may be good for joining the vac tube to the angle "&" the angle to the enforcer too? it looks long enough... what do you think?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Koi-Pond-Tank-Connecter-1-5-Pipe-Fittings-/252166517208?hash=item3ab64bb1d8:g:6sMAAOSwo0JWQ4ul
& this is seemingly the only threaded end cap i can find atm...  whay do you think of this?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-5-Solvent-Weld-Pipe-Threaded-Screwed-Access-End-Cap-Pond-Waste-Drain-Fitting-/191009200185?hash=item2c79091839:g:oo4AAOxy63FStBXk

Ok ive been shopping today & got these bits now... so im nearly there

[john martin]

tank connector should be ok , does it say if its bsp ? 

end cap here
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BSP-Female-Cap-Polypropylene-PP-Black-Plastic-Pipe-Fitting-/321741895614?var=&hash=item4ae94fb7be:m:m6gfuecVpTHIuVkoxryrucw

there is some tank connectors on tanks direct also .

[john martin]

i fitted something that looks like this to the end of my 90 .... so as i could slip a 2" hosecuff over it .
I got it at a local plumbing place though . Thee is probably somewhere in your town with all these fittings

[James Jacob]

cheers for the end cap & ive messaged the seller if the tank connector is bsp or not?...
would it matter if its not?

[john martin]

It matters with anything u attach to it , ie it have to be the same bsp thread , like the endcap

[James Jacob]

Hi John... The seller says its :-
Hi it's imperail PVC from Holland
Regards brian

[john martin]

doubt if its compatible  ,
there is this ..
http://www.amazon.co.uk/WATER-TANK-CONNECTORS-MULTI-LISTING/dp/B00XWL4XSE/ref=sr_1_4?s=outdoors&ie=UTF8&qid=1449784137&sr=1-4&keywords=BSP+tank+connector

and tanks direct have some also .

[James Jacob]

My bits have all arrived
Only thing that doesnt seem to be good is the end cap... wont screw on

[James Jacob]

Hey John what do you think about rigging a wet vac up to the enforcer? that way it can double the waste water capacity,
simultaneously boosting vac power too surely?
Just an example...

[john martin]

I dont know what thread type u have there ,   thats why i say stick to bsp cause u can easily get compatable bits local .
perhaps bring your tank connector to a goo hydraulic or tool place in your locality and they might ID the thread for u and find u a cap . Otherwise  get the bsp one off amazon .

As for the wet vac ,  connecting it to your side port on enforcer ?  would probably lower overall lift .
and besides ... u have a booster 

[James Jacob]

my old wetvac from tech-clean had 3 1500w motors inside & ran off 1 cord... strongest suction ive ever used so far.....
(when i used to pressure wash)...

[Mike Halliday]

my old wetvac from tech-clean had 3 1500w motors inside & ran off 1 cord... strongest suction ive ever used so far.....
(when i used to pressure wash)...

When my truckmount was down I used the same machine for carpet cleaning, like you say the 3 vacs did produce a great vacuum. I'm thinking of using it again for when I clean upholstery.

[Lewis Newby]

How can 3 1500w motors running of one cord? 
2 hd electros is too much really, I know people like John and Robin have/are running with no problems, but where do you stand if there is an accident such as a fire caused by your 'modified' equipment?

[dan paton]

I don't quite get that either although I'm no sparky. Three 1500 watt motors would be around 19 amps on one power lead. Could someone please explain?

[James Jacob]

This is my old machine... Many years ago now... Each button is for 1 vac... i always had all 3 going at once.... Insane vac power... no problem clearing large bodies of water with its vac hose "Fully Submerged"... This machine would happily drain a swimming pool if its recovery tank were big enough... all from 1 power cord... never tripped a fusebox... can i explain it? no

[James Jacob]

My mistake... it was 3 1200w motors in this thing
In my head i was comparing it to my ninja 2 x 1500w  & the enforcer (similar vac power)...
There is No way that i could fully submerge their vac hoses without serious damage to their vacs.
The ninja & enforcer vac power is Pathetic in comparison to this machine... 

[Lewis Newby]

That's what I was thinking, 3600watts is OK, especially as there is no pump to power.

Similar vac power to an airflex turbo really

[James Jacob]

Ok So..... I took the Plunge

[john martin]

did u get a cap yet ?   , also i found putting a bit of plumbing tape in the tank connector thread prevents the plastic on plastic getting jammed if its tight .
and the enforcer ... looks like a good rub down with white spirit and linseed oil mixed would refresh it .

[James Jacob]

Im just going to wedge toilet paper in the new hole for when im on jobs & not using the Boosterbox..........
Please tell me more about the white spirit & linseed oil treatment... ratios, method etc

[john martin]

Right , good luck with the TP 
Not much to the spirit / linseed oil  50/50
Just rub on with a cloth  , it kinda soaks in it seems ,  doesn't take long . 

[Tadgh O Shea]

Have ye not heard guys, TV bosses are looking to recruit a MacGyver, and a Laurel and Hardy, guaranteed start for the new year i'd say its in the bag for ye both, only joking but just couldn't resist. 

[James Jacob]

It was a second hand machine John...
The endcap fits fine now... it was just tight because it was new, its on, in one of the photos.
Whats the best way to tidy up the appearance of any small scratches ?
The flash from the camera makes it look far worse than it really is though... thank god

[Adrian Walton]

use a hot air gun and gently warm the scratches up and they will disappear but don't go to mad, then use a silicone cleaner like what you can clean your bumpers or dashboard with  and it will look like new.

[James Jacob]

New  Video Incoming....
Can i post videos here? if not ill just post a link....

[James Jacob]

https://youtu.be/TCoWCawQM4I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCoWCawQM4I&feature=youtu.be

[john martin]

Nice job with the video !     
If you pick up up some two inch hose it really sucks your hand ! 
used mine this evening @ 70ft , worked flawless .Inline heater plugged in also.   I did some up stairs bedrooms , didn't even bring the airmovers up , way reduced drying times .

[Carpet2Clean]

Nice job with the video !     
If you pick up up some two inch hose it really sucks your hand ! 
used mine this evening @ 70ft , worked flawless .Inline heater plugged in also.   I did some up stairs bedrooms , didn't even bring the airmovers up , way reduced drying times .

Nice video James showing the power. great work...More like suck your hand off your arm John.

Are you van mounting the machine James ?

Richard

[john martin]

I dont van mount anyway , not sure what james has in mind .

[James Jacob]

Cheers for the compliments guys Credit to John though, for the idea & advice...
No plans to van mount, but not necessary to take machine upstairs anymore
I may leave the booster box outside properties whilst in operation (back gardens etc) till im satisfied that it wont catch fire or blow up
But all seems very good so far...

[James Jacob]

Someone mentioned when the waste tank is full... wont the boosterbox continue vacuuming until it drowns itself? what are your experiences & thoughts on this John? & is there anything else to be aware of during operation?

[john martin]

Very easy to put another ball and cage cutoff in there . I didn't yet , might do in new year . I just empty regularly .u have a big capacity with the enforcer anyway . As it is the main ball cage is below the booster level so u might feel and hear the cut off from that .
I have a large check valve to make a gravity auto empty ... didn't get round to putting it together yet ...its part of the reason I have both working on remote control.
Auto pump out could be another diy option.

[CleanerCarpets]

yea - just make sure the customer doesn't -

1. Put the kettle on to make a cuppa - cos the leccy will trip
2. Or do any washing
3. Or do any ironing
4. Or look at the leccy meter spinning round like a rocket ship with all the amps you are using up!!

 

[James Jacob]

Hey John ive sent you an email...
& a quick question whilst im here... How often do you use your Boosterbox?
Is it on Most jobs, or only occasionally or what?

[john martin]

Hey John ive sent you an email...
& a quick question whilst im here... How often do you use your Boosterbox?
Is it on Most jobs, or only occasionally or what?

I'm using it right now ! I will use it on nearly all carpet jobs .
I just plug it into two sockets beside each other ...no problem .
If u want to run an online heater like me ...u need to run an extension cord from another location ...utility room or upstairs landing or wherever to plug in the heater .
U don't trip switches with electric kettles and washing machines and that nonsense . Anyway a wet carpet will be remembered longer than a tripped switch ...
If u knock off the 'frozen' dvd in the playroom    ..ur in trouble alright though

[James Jacob]

Lol... Did you get my email?

[Robin Ray]

Nice job, .....

What's the point in all this extra vacuum if you don't use it for longer hose runs?

My machine works well at 100ft fine without a booster that's why I leave it in the van, no filling no carrying, less noise. If I need to get closer I take it off the van. Surely this would be a better use for all this power you have given your machines.

[jasonl]

This looks like a fantastic piece of kit I know I have criticised your thoughts on chemicals. Fairplay to you this is a real step forward.

[john martin]

This looks like a fantastic piece of kit I know I have criticised your thoughts on chemicals. Fairplay to you this is a real step forward.

cool thanks , no problems criticizing my thoughts . I couldn't really take credit for the four vac booster setup , there was the mytee booster a few years back , or quad vacs , steembrite goliath has being a quad for years , now it a quad 6.6 . And Altec had a quad probably before them all  . Although im not sure what configuration ?parallel or series parallel .
Of course the americans can only dream of 6.6 boosted machines on two cords , its takes four or a generator for  them at 120v.

[john martin]

Nice job, .....

What's the point in all this extra vacuum if you don't use it for longer hose runs?

My machine works well at 100ft fine without a booster that's why I leave it in the van, no filling no carrying, less noise. If I need to get closer I take it off the van. Surely this would be a better use for all this power you have given your machines.

I just find van mounting a bit of a  Kerfuffle .
I dont have a tank either , i might look into it all again , build an ETM of sorts .
The extra vacuum for me is just faster ,dryer ,easier for me cleaning i suppose .

[john martin]

  Just did this test quickly in a house today  ...
  Any who thinks this setup is melting plugs or burning fuses or whatever ....  it aint !   

 This is just a snap shot with the four vacs running ,  40ft hose and the wand attached but just lying flat whistling .
The 13.2 amps is the enforcer with both vacs and pump at 250psi
The 12.6 amps is the booster .

If you use the wand on the carpet both would drop about one amp .

[Robin Ray]

Interesting wiring there John.

[john martin]

Interesting wiring there John.

lol , probably looks a mess . The white cable is the enforcer .. the black cable is the booster .
The orange lead is just a thing with stripped wires to use the amp meter .

[Robin Ray]

Ahh... Thought there must be more to it than just a badly fitted plug

Interesting device.

[James Jacob]

Hi John
I used my Enforcer on 2 jobs today... First job i used a hallway twin wall socket & tripped the electrics about 3/4 through the job... Re-set the trip & continued on without the heater on... finished the job.
Second job i used the Kitchen circuit with everything on in the Enforcer no probs... I didn't use the booster box on either job...
Reason being... i want to get the Enforcer Optimised first
So...  Well, Last night i spent quite a while looking through old posts on vac hose sizes & their effects with different vacs etc & learned a lot
Now to the point to my post...
Atm... my Enforcer has top vac 6.6 & bottom vac 7.2... running 25ft of 1.5"
Reading an old post i noticed you mention about the 7.2 vac... ill copy & paste the post here... Could you elaborate on it please as tbh in not mega impressed with the performance atm... i have a feeling i will be swapping out the 7.2 very shortly for a 6.6... but first i just want to know why im not super impressed with my current enforcer vac configuration...
Cheers Jim

Re: Airflex Storm or Enforcer

« Reply #54 on: July 17, 2014, 03:42:17 pm »
Quote
Quote from: Simon Gerrard on July 17, 2014, 03:15:09 pm
Wrong choice of wand, me thinks. Usually use the Prochem Quad jet at 300-400 psi on the TM (Maxx 450D), so wanting to test the near truck mount qualities of the 7.2 vacs thought it should cope with the flow at 200psi, clearly not.
Used it with 50 feet of 2 inch hose on my van seats with a Sapphire and didn't think it was that much more powerful than the twin vac machines I already have, upholstery cleaning on ships being what we use the portables on mostly. Still a great machine but not what I was expecting, power wise.

Simon

Tsk ...   who told you the 7.2 used was powerfull .      If they are the ones im thinking of they have close to 400 airwatts  ...  the HD electro has 560 .
Wrong vacs .. wrong wand ...  no airmovers

[john martin]

Hi John
I used my Enforcer on 2 jobs today... First job i used a hallway twin wall socket & tripped the electrics about 3/4 through the job... Re-set the trip & continued on without the heater on... finished the job.
Second job i used the Kitchen circuit with everything on in the Enforcer no probs... I didn't use the booster box on either job...
Reason being... i want to get the Enforcer Optimised first
So...  Well, Last night i spent quite a while looking through old posts on vac hose sizes & their effects with different vacs etc & learned a lot
Now to the point to my post...
Atm... my Enforcer has top vac 6.6 & bottom vac 7.2... running 25ft of 1.5"
Reading an old post i noticed you mention about the 7.2 vac... ill copy & paste the post here... Could you elaborate on it please as tbh in not mega impressed with the performance atm... i have a feeling i will be swapping out the 7.2 very shortly for a 6.6... but first i just want to know why im not super impressed with my current enforcer vac configuration...
Cheers Jim

Re: Airflex Storm or Enforcer

« Reply #54 on: July 17, 2014, 03:42:17 pm »
Quote
Quote from: Simon Gerrard on July 17, 2014, 03:15:09 pm
Wrong choice of wand, me thinks. Usually use the Prochem Quad jet at 300-400 psi on the TM (Maxx 450D), so wanting to test the near truck mount qualities of the 7.2 vacs thought it should cope with the flow at 200psi, clearly not.
Used it with 50 feet of 2 inch hose on my van seats with a Sapphire and didn't think it was that much more powerful than the twin vac machines I already have, upholstery cleaning on ships being what we use the portables on mostly. Still a great machine but not what I was expecting, power wise.

Simon

Tsk ...   who told you the 7.2 used was powerfull .      If they are the ones im thinking of they have close to 400 airwatts  ...  the HD electro has 560 .
Wrong vacs .. wrong wand ...  no airmovers

What heater have u got , dont thing u should be tripping anything , unless u work an area with some ancient house  wiring .
I dont think that 7.2 is a high watt motor so perhaps its impeding the performance u expect ... or else u just expect too much from a two vac .
Heres a usefull link i found  ...   
https://www.worldwidecleaningsupport.com/ametek-lamb-122236-18-6-6-vac-motor-2-stage-tan-240v.html

[James Jacob]

I have a 3kw tank element..
& Yes that is a very useful link indeed
No doubt everyone will buy them all before i get the chance though... lol (or you will )
So my theory is then that if i swap out the 7.2 for a 6.6 then my enforcer configuration will be exactly the same as yours...
& with the twin 6.6 booster boxes then we will have the same... (atm...lol)
I dont care if its copying... because your system is tried & tested.. so thats fine by me

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I appreciate its not as compact but why can't you van mount an enforcer then have vac pipe to say an express at the the door where a right angled vac attachment could be put on the express to join the 2 ?

[john martin]

I appreciate its not as compact but why can't you van mount an enforcer then have vac pipe to say an express at the the door where a right angled vac attachment could be put on the express to join the 2 ?

sure , could be done . I think its Luc here has joined two enforcers and run from the van , it comes down to convenience also , i like a boosters compactness like u said .   Express as an inline booster near the door ?  i would have to think  through how that would work performance wise .

[Robin Ray]

I appreciate its not as compact but why can't you van mount an enforcer then have vac pipe to say an express at the the door where a right angled vac attachment could be put on the express to join the 2 ?

sure , could be done . I think its Luc here has joined two enforcers and run from the van , it comes down to convenience also , i like a boosters compactness like u said .   Express as an inline booster near the door ?  i would have to think  through how that would work performance wise .

It would work the same as the booster you have ie. twice the airflow but maintaining the high lift.

[john martin]

I appreciate its not as compact but why can't you van mount an enforcer then have vac pipe to say an express at the the door where a right angled vac attachment could be put on the express to join the 2 ?

sure , could be done . I think its Luc here has joined two enforcers and run from the van , it comes down to convenience also , i like a boosters compactness like u said .   Express as an inline booster near the door ?  i would have to think  through how that would work performance wise .

It would work the same as the booster you have ie. twice the airflow but maintaining the high lift.

it wouldnt be for me  ...       easy for me to leave the enforcer/booster outside the door , easy setup .
I would use an ETM though  , im thinking just one five core cable running out to the van , two plug heads on the house side . 
I must do some more testing , looking at my booster lift gauge yesterday , i think im getting a healthy 10-11 hg  at the wand wand on in dense wool  .
funny what u notice  .... you gain one HG on the upstroke (dry stroke) it seemed with the same pressure .  Perhaps we should be using backwards wands , or clean both way wands .

[CleanerCarpets]

So how does this all stand when it comes to CE approvals?

I am assuming manufacturers or distributors of products have to ensure the product meets CE approval before sale in the UK. When you modify a machine to such an extent i am assuming that voids the CE approval unless you submit it again. And if you make a DIY booster box that hasnt been checked for approval then that's an offence under HSE?

All i am saying is playing around with electrics maybe fun but experimenting with them in a customers house could surely put you on the wrong side of the law and land you in strife if something went tits up. Would maybe invalidate your insurance too.

Making machines like the suppliers do is constrained to keeping within certain boundaries - yes you can push them but are you within the limits of being all legal?

[John Kelly]

Equipment has to meet CE standards before it is sold in the EU. Don't think CE would come into it regarding owners modifications, Insurance issues could arrise though. Some equipment on sale at the moment would not pass CE certification as the electrics need to be fully isolated from any water ingress.

[AJB]

John

you get an increase in lift on the forward stroke because you
are imparting a downward force pushing the wand.
when pulling the wand you impart an upward force.
So forward increases the wand/carpet interface seal, and backwards
decreases it.

[john martin]

John

you get an increase in lift on the forward stroke because you
are imparting a downward force pushing the wand.
when pulling the wand you impart an upward force.
So forward increases the wand/carpet interface seal, and backwards
decreases it.

indeed    and i tend to do a scrub style leaning on it too  ,  must get myself a lazy mans wand now i have a bit more power .
also I think there is a couple of all direction cleaning wands , sapphire Stryker , wonder wand ?

[AJB]

I use a Wonderwand which is perfect on a vac optimised machine, you
can spray on the forward stroke, but it's not the old style push wand they
used to make. When I use my booster which increases cfm's then it can suffer
some lockdown.
The Stryker wand looks to me like an attempt to "pimp my wand", watched some
videos of it and I think it is too light, doesn't have a proper trigger so no real control
over water delivery, it may be great on large area cleaning, but domestically over this
side of the pond I don't think it's appropriate, also plastic head, just think floorboard
nails etc.
Also watched a video of wonderwand, basically slagged off by a truck mounter. It's not
designed to work with a truck mount, and the idiot had the roller set too high, so basically
it was used as a scrub wand, the roller wasn't working right!
You do realise with these easier to use wands, you may see a weight increase, I certainly did. 

[dan paton]

@John Martin & James Jacob. Guys could one or both of you put a link up for the cooling fans you used ? I reckon my 5.7 booster needs a couple fitted

[john martin]

@John Martin & James Jacob. Guys could one or both of you put a link up for the cooling fans you used ? I reckon my 5.7 booster needs a couple fitted

is it cutting out ? 
I got mine in maplin , if u search the maplin site for axial fan  , the two at the top are 230v  AC 
They have a 120mm and an 80mm .  I fitted two 80s , i would have gone with one 120 but i didnt have a hole saw big enough to cut a neat hole and it would kill me to cut a jagged hole by hand     
either of them will do the job im sure , if u have the fan extracting heat , blowing out ...  put a hole on the opp side to allow air to be drawn in . Perhaps u have vents already anyway .

[dan paton]

Thanks John. No it's not cutting out but I keep the top opened but to be honest I'd rather keep it closed. Less noise 

[James Jacob]

My machine killed a kitchen double socket today Really don't know how? because its never done that before... at first when my machine went "off" i thought it had just tripped the breaker.... but on inspection of the fusebox nothing had tripped... so... wtf? lol My machine is working perfectly fine, as i completed the rest of the job without incident using one of the other double sockets in the same kitchen... It is not possible to press either on/off switches at the "problem" socket  because they are seemingly
unresponsive to pressing... So any ideas as to what may have happened here?
ps... i was "Not" using the booster box... it was just the enforcer machine that was running at the time.

[Radek Jablonski]

Was that two plugs in the same double socket?

[CleanerCarpets]

hate to say i told you so but................you are messing with customers electrics when you aren't an electrician!

John likes to tell you this will be fine, that will be fine etc etc but ask an electrician about what you are plugging into the sockets with your 'modified' machines and you will get a different answer.

The way the cables are laid from the machine all come into the equation - whether they are completely uncurled etc. Add that to you overloading each socket you are plugging into and you have a recipe for problems.

Immersion heaters that are 3k in hot water tanks in the house are on their own ring for a reason. Its all about how the house is wired and how each plug is wired on the ring - none of which you know when you are plugging in.

You are risking you and the householder IMHO when you are messing with electric overloading.

When you fry something the buck stops with you and i don't think Ashbys or your insurance will want to know as you've modified the machine beyond 'maintenance.'

[john martin]

Its easy to blame the vac setup  , but ye don't know exactly whats going on here   , believe me if i was damaging house sockets i would not be modifying my gear  .
like i showed on a recent post , its only about 13amps in use anyway .
james  , perhaps check your plug connections to make sure they are fresh , better still change to new heavy duty plugs . Also check for bad or oxidized connections on your machine in general at the machine switches and other connections .
Perhaps if u can get hold of an amp mater and see what you are drawing in general .
Apart from that who knows ... could have being a kitchen socket that had cloths irons and things in it most of life , internal socket could have being oxidized from kitchen condensation  ...  who knows

I have no problems   

[Robin Ray]

I have melted a socket once but it was because I was drawing 3kw from it constantly for about 6 hours, the fuse in the plug was slightly loose which caused it to arc and get hot then the plastic insulation on the fuse prong  melted and welded itself to the socket. I had to prise it out  of the socked with a screwdriver which split the socket in half. I now check the fuse is fitted snugly in the plug every so often.

[Robin Ray]

hate to say i told you so but................you are messing with customers electrics when you aren't an electrician!

John likes to tell you this will be fine, that will be fine etc etc but ask an electrician about what you are plugging into the sockets with your 'modified' machines and you will get a different answer.

The way the cables are laid from the machine all come into the equation - whether they are completely uncurled etc. Add that to you overloading each socket you are plugging into and you have a recipe for problems.

Immersion heaters that are 3k in hot water tanks in the house are on their own ring for a reason. Its all about how the house is wired and how each plug is wired on the ring - none of which you know when you are plugging in.

You are risking you and the householder IMHO when you are messing with electric overloading.

When you fry something the buck stops with you and i don't think Ashbys or your insurance will want to know as you've modified the machine beyond 'maintenance.'

All true.

But some simple rules can be followed which prevent any problems.

1 The maximum a circuit can take is 7200w.

2 Use appliances in different sockets in different areas of the room or preferably different circuits in a house to prevent overload.

3 The wiring in a house doesn't know or care if you are running a kettle an immersion heater a machine, a hairdryer or an electric toothbrush. If it is using too much power it will cause problems

4 Tell the custy not to turn on the kettle for a cup of tea before asking you to turn the machine off so as not to overload the circuit (and to prompt a cup of tea if you don't have one yet )

[James Jacob]

Its not really "Massive" Modifications though is it.... Changing a vac motor for a more efficient one is hardly going "Overboard" Really... if i had put 3 vac motors inside the machine then i would be more inclined to agree... but, its still only 2 vacs inside... no dramatic changes My Poxy damp ridden flats "lounge" electrics can handle my machine no probs, Also everyone elses houses handle it no probs too... its just this one
The cord was fully extended & when i removed the plugs from the socket it was "Hot" But!... Not melting hot impossible to touch John... ive sent you another email

[john martin]

Its not really "Massive" Modifications though is it.... Changing a vac motor for a more efficient one is hardly going "Overboard" Really... if i had put 3 vac motors inside the machine then i would be more inclined to agree... but, its still only 2 vacs inside... no dramatic changes My Poxy damp ridden flats "lounge" electrics can handle my machine no probs, Also everyone elses houses handle it no probs too... its just this one
The cord was fully extended & when i removed the plugs from the socket it was "Hot" But!... Not melting hot impossible to touch John... ive sent you another email

not sure if u should even have a ' hot ' plug  .  Sounds like resistance heating to me
i would describe my plug as a bit warm so as u know its been plugged in .... but not hot

Bit about oxide and arc heat issues here  ..
http://www.interfire.org/res_file/92114-10.asp

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I once melted a socket with my Scorpion I never got to the bottom of the problem, the plug melted onto the socket I just replaced both and it never happened again.

[James Jacob]

Hi Shaun
Was that in your own house or a customers?
& if it was a customers house... what did you say? & what was the customer reaction?
& cheers John for the interesting reading