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Bonnett HWE or both?
Posted by pre-vac_Nick (pre-vac_Nick), 22 October 2003Hi everyone,
I have another dilemma!
i have 75 sqmtrs of Axminister to clean in a social club, it is soiled but hard to see with the dark pattern.
Would you guys reccommend bonnett buffing or hwe?
it needs to be dry 5hrs after i finish so i was thinking hwe followed by bonnett padding after to take up any excess moisture?
and before you say it no i dont have any air movers (yet)
the club secerety is a friend of mine so unless i can get at least 50% of the soiling out by buffing then i think its a no go, i havent bonnett buffed anything since i worked at Prochem in the early nineties so im a bit out of touch with this method.
Any help or short blunt anwsers will do!!
Posted by Mr._One_Step (Steve Carpenter), 22 October 2003Hi Nick,
A friend of mine cleans this type of carpet with a rotary oscillating pad machine fitted with cotton absorbent pads. He pre-sprays the carpet with One Step, agitates with a Duplex contra rotating brush machine and then absorbs the loosened soil with the pads. He finds this a more thorough and effective method of soil removal over bonnet cleaning.
I would select a non-residual product such as One Step and apply it hot through a pressure sprayer and then agitate with your rotary fitted with a scrubbing brush. Then clear water rinse with your extraction system using super heated water (if you have a heat exchanger fitted). As an option you could post bonnet clean to absorb moisture and soiling but you may be outside the drying time youíre looking for without the use of air movers.
Posted by pre-vac_Nick (pre-vac_Nick), 22 October 2003is there any where i can buy a cheapish air mover from?? it seems the only way to speed up drying times?
Posted by John_Flynn (John_Flynn), 22 October 2003What HWE machine are you using??
Posted by Mr._One_Step (Steve Carpenter), 22 October 2003Although I prefer the build quality of the Dri-Eze Airmovers a company called Broughton (Tel: 01527 597 567) make a competitively priced alternative at £190.00 plus VAT. Itís called the Powerblo.
They seem to have regular special offers and I purchased a couple for £125.00 each plus VAT about 6 months ago.
Posted by pre-vac_Nick (pre-vac_Nick), 22 October 2003John im using a steampro 2100sx
Posted by carpetmonsters (carpetmonsters), 22 October 2003hi nick
i imported and became a distributer for a op machine this year and have been carring out extensive testing. most of my carpet cleaning is carried out this way as people want fast drying clean carpets. it does a far better job than bonnets . if the carpet is badly soiled i will still use hwe but normaly clean as stated in steve carpenters post
Posted by John_Flynn (John_Flynn), 22 October 2003You should be able to dry in 5 hours!!
Use as hot water as possible, this dries faster.
Do more than usual dry passes with your wand, then turn on the heating in the club this will cause condensation, you must then open windows and close all doors in the room been cleaned, the condensation will be drawn out through the windows like using a de-humidifier!!
DO NOT turn on the heating without opening the windows.
Posted by Glynn (Glynn), 22 October 2003Hows your new machine doing John ?
Posted by John_Flynn (John_Flynn), 22 October 2003I feel like Dick Turpin
Instead of working 4 hours a day I'm now doing 2
Posted by Dave_Lee (Dave_Lee), 23 October 2003So this is where youve bin!
Posted by DP (DP), 23 October 2003Very interested to read about your use of air movers. I have been drying buildings as a specialist for more then 20 years using both air movers and dehumidification.
Whilst air movers are becoming increasingly popular for drying carpets fast, I would also reiterate the hazards of atmospheric moisture caused by their use.
I am aware of a number of insurance claims which have been linked to the cleaning and drying of carpets in the home and one in an office complex blamed on the use of "accelerated drying equipment".
There is an inherent lack of understanding about the levels of humidity that an air mover will evoke into an area without ventilation or dehumidification.
One of the main problems is electronic equipment, i.e. TVís, computers hi-fi's etc. Many are left on all the time or still warm from switch off. The incredibly high humidity content caused by an air mover can cause moisture to condense back into liquid on the hot components and circuit boards. Even if the equipment remains ok, this can start a short term corrosion process.
Please remember that the water doesnít magically disappear, its just everywhere now instead of the carpet.
So therefore donít use air movers without total ventilation or the use of dehumidifiers. †
Tip: the quickest way to dry a surface with air movers is to place one at either end of an area, facing each other either side of an imaginary centre line. This will cause a circular cyclone effect, forcing the heavy wet air upwards and outwards giving maximum evaporation time before re-settling.
Advice: I have spent over £20k on air movers in recent years, and abusing them to the point of destruction (i.e. on full speed 24-7 for 3-4 months at a time) and Dri-Eze have always come out miles ahead, never managed to destroy one yet, † so thatís where my money will always go, however in this industry with such light use, I would imagine any would do for years.
Info: Dri-Eze are producing a half size, single speed, ultra quiet, (side) stackable version for under £100. I played with the prototype last month which had incredible power, as Bill demonstrated when he accidentally turned my office into a paper chase; this also comes with a "snout" to attach a 4" hose for hand held drying.
Posted by carpet_bright (carpet_bright), 23 October 2003Be careful with the Axminster though. The woven backed carpets can be quite unstable to water. Make sure you do a thorough survey, especially the fixings.
I'm sure you do anyway but I am always extra cautious with them.
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